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Macpherson mean anything trouble right

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here in River City big trouble

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of course you know that was the birth

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name of Newt Gingrich so that's my case

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oh there you go you know it's

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interesting here I figured that people

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would actually have some response to

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your unexpected politically charged

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comment and they didn't so let's just

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assume they agree with you and move on

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well it's you call a spade a spade and

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people don't look for aces diamonds

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hearts or clubs and I guess you're out

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of the game so I see now on the gambling

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tables in Las Vegas you're a poker man I

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just got my first business card written

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on a million dollar poker chip you did

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indeed speak to me how did this happen

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well I did my first you know I'm a

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driver for a tour operator here the top

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private you know a tour company in

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Sedona and this is the Joe job so he can

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finance the UFO research and looking for

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Bigfoot and all that stuff let's just be

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honest about it we have to do things

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well yeah I do I do have a day job I had

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a wonderful group come in from Las Vegas

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including a very very gorgeous fashion

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designer

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named Elana Fuchs she gave me her

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business card at the end of the evening

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and it was written on a I guess I've

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never seen a poker chip like this so I'm

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assuming it's a either a million dollar

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poker chip or something anyway

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figured I'd mention that it wasn't a

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real million dollar poker chip it was

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just a poker chip with the amount of 1

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million dollars on it note had weird

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colors and bands and like you know her

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name and stuff written on it but it's a

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real poker chip I'm not sure exactly

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what denomination it is but okay so if

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you brought it to that particular casino

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they'd say okay that would be 15 cents

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well yeah possibly but looking at her

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website and her track record and the

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fact that she flew in on her own plane I

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wouldn't I would think it would be worth

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a little more well considering the 1

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million dollar chip sounds good to me

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let's assume then that you got this

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great tip this glorious tip for being I

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was it was that's part business card

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okay I'm just giving you our time they

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had a great time and we've decided

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because of the success of my rather late

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night sojourn that we're going to expand

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the first-class Charter and tour

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repertoire if it were to include UFO

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educational night-watches oh okay why

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not you gonna make a killing off this

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I'm not sure David Sarita and Kim

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Carlsberg and Melinda Leslie and who

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else is there's a bunch of folks Tom

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dango they you know it's there's a lot

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of potential opportunities out there for

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UFO Sky Watch tours and it's not going

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to be like Steven Greer where you charge

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eleven hundred dollars per person

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nothing like that I know no no this

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would be affordable yeah and very

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educational the first thing I do is

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shatter all their preconceptions about

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Sedona and UFOs and the paranormal in

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general and then you know gradually in a

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very kind and gentle way we educate them

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into

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or separating the signal from the noise

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I think is our motto here at the pair

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caste kind of bring their heads back

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around to a more down-to-earth sober

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look at their reality and our consensual

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reality alright I think I might sign up

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next time I'm in Sedona oh you don't

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have to Jean I'll do it for for you

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anytime okay fair enough I'll go for

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that

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we do have a bit of sad news to present

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this evening I mentioned it briefly an

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insert in last week's episode and it's a

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longtime UFO researcher who died just a

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few days ago maybe you didn't hear of

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him I mean he didn't write best-selling

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books but a few people regarded him as

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the rock of ufology guy named Lucius

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Farish who lived at a tiny town in

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Arkansas plumerville with a population

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last I heard of about eight or nine

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hundred people and this guy for many

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years produce a UFO news clipping

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service where he would assemble

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newspaper reports from around the USA

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around the world of UFOs and other

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unusual events he'd make copies of them

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and send them around to researchers so

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we'd all keep up to date on what was

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going on from the material that we got

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from Lou Farish you know man ahead of

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his time he created an internet type of

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clearinghouse of reports long before you

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know the net Ewald

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this guy was here like I said the

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stalwart Rock of the earth kind of

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person who put everything together kept

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the information flow going he was

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involved in something called the Ozark

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UFO conference - little my very favorite

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mm-hmm you did go there a few times oh

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did I tell me about that well I think I

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was there five years in a row

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and it kind of gets hazy but all through

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the mid to late 90s that was my spring

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time stop there in the beginning of

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April and of course my main shall we say

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doc at the conference was the infamous

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Lone Star Bar

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hospitality suite and jam room as it

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later turned out to be and I think out

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of all the years that I went there I may

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have attended maybe three or four

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presentations that sounds like what Jim

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Mosley used to do when you go to these

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UFO conventions he'd hang out in the

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bars he'd hang out in the hotel lobbies

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she talked to people never get to see

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the presentations anyway Luther --is--

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is a guy I corresponded with during the

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time that people exchange snail mail for

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many many years and then in 1975 got to

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meet the guy fella named Curt southerly

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and I both live in Pennsylvania at the

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Curt's been a guest on the power cast

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he's a longtime 14 researcher he's gonna

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be back on the show soon by the way but

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Curt and I brought him some genuine

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baloney from Lebanon Pennsylvania to Lou

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and within a few weeks that's all he

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talked about he it was a big stick of

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this stuff it's got to be like 1015

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pounds of it within a few weeks it was

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gone so I bet he had sandwiches every

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single day and his friends had

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sandwiches Lou Farish was a great guy

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you know he had a nice gentle sense of

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humor enjoy the time I knew him and

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we're sorry to see him go

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Lucius Farish well another thing you

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should mention is he's willed his estate

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to furthering UFO research absolutely I

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don't know how that's going to work out

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we're going to explore it and we might

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even have an episode where we look over

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the UFO field in relationship to people

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like Lou Farish who kept the information

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flow alive for so many years we want to

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find out exactly what this bequest is

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going to be like and how UFO researchers

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can basically apply for it I assume they

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have to SAP some kind of infrastructure

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we're gonna find out speaking of rocks

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of UFO research we have a guy named

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Chris rutkowski now Chris was on the

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power cast in August of 2006 we only had

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him on then for one hour we have him

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here for a full show this time and he's

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a science writer who's written a number

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of books including books about

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UFOs and he takes as you can imagine a

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very serious straightforward point of

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view on the subject we're gonna ask him

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also about some unusual events are

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happening in recent weeks such as a

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number of cases number of UFO cases that

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apparently have been reported in Canada

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dozens and dozens of cases the beginning

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part of the year and also about the

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strange sounds in the sky people around

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the world hearing all these weird sounds

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I know we have a few threads on it and

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then the power cast forums I haven't

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heard any strange sounds

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except when people yell at me okay when

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people yell at me I hear strange sounds

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when Chris yells at me I doesn't yell at

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he's a mensch as we say science writer

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astronomer UFO book author Chris

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from his palatial estate in Canada and

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before we started he had a statement on

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Facebook remarking of course that he was

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gonna get ready for the show taping I

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want to ask you Chris did we ever get

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that makeup person over to you well you

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know it's a something that I really need

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you I've always been told that I have a

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thing for radio and so forth so it's

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something that's absolutely essential

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they didn't show up so we'll just have

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to wing it no must have taken a delay or

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an interruption or detour over at the

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bar not at the border you know that's it

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they were stopped at the border it's a

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long flight yeah especially because you

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know getting these saucers to fly and

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our direction is pretty difficult at the

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appropriate time that's true yeah

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looking at your background here and of

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course you've been a science writer for

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years you've been studying UFOs your

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degree covers astronomy and of course

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how does a person who is so deeply

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immersed in the sciences get involved in

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this field and not see blowback well

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that's a good question I seem to have

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injured a lot of that although there's

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no question that the debunkers think

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that I'm far too much taken to the dark

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side and you followed you as a believer

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although believers tend to look at me

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more as a skeptic because I you know

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don't buy into a lot of stuff so I tend

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to sit on the fence and unfortunately if

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it's a the picket fence you know that it

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gets pretty hard to sit on after a while

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pretty pointy oh boy do I know that feel

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and of course if they start charging up

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the fence with a few volts of

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electricity sadly your hair stands on

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end now looking at conventional wisdoms

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or things that are accepted among people

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who are interested in UFOs what do you

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find that you don't really accept let's

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start from that we have another show for

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this exactly yeah let me start by by

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saying that what I don't do and this is

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one thing one reason why I don't seem to

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get a lot of blowback because I'm not

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making what the debunkers tend to

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describe as extraordinary claims

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necessarily I'm not saying that the

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aliens are definitely coming from the

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Veda Reticuli on Mars or beta Pictoris

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or whatever in fact what I do say is

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strictly from an astronomy point of view

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that astronomers are fairly certain that

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the aliens are out there somewhere but

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of course the distances are so great

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that it's difficult to conceive knowing

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physics that we have right now of how

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they can travel between the stars now

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having said that man you know it's not

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anything that's to earth shattering or

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star shattering or whatever but I do

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understand the fact that you know our

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Sun is a pretty average star and there

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are many stars that are much older than

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ours and that it's possible that a

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planet around a star not that far away

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with a jump of let's say something

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pretty conservative ten thousand to a

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hundred thousand years of civilization

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on us try to figure it out some ways

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around the physics limitations not

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necessarily a new kind of physics or

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ways to to break the laws of physics but

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maybe maybe sort of some shortcuts that

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can allow them to travel between stars

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maybe they used in DMT as a fuel source

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or anything maybe the driving souped-up

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BMWs I have no idea well I was thinking

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of course in terms of something like a

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warp drive which is obviously a science

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fiction trick to get you from one star

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system to another but people are talking

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in terms of bending space-time itself

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that with a fold and space-time

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actually don't travel faster than the

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speed of light between two points but

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you simply happen to pop through a

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little rift in space-time or a fold in

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space-time and there's been scientific

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papers about that

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so it's within the realm of possibility

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we don't have any idea how that might

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work so they say you know give us you

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know 50,000 to 500,000 years of a bit of

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a jump in the future maybe somebody's

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managed to figure out how to do that we

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don't have any proof that that's so and

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again this goes back to the blowback

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that I don't necessarily see the proof

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and this goes into your other question

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you know what stuff don't I buy into I

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don't see those Eaton's coming to visit

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us any moment I don't see Nibiru lurking

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just behind the next asteroid I don't

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see a lot of that stuff I you know I'm

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my background is in both astronomy and

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education and been a president of the

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Royal Astronomical Society of Canada's

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Winnipeg Centre I've been involved in

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them with councils on astronomy I know

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what the limitations are in terms of

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astronomy and the physical nature of the

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universe that doesn't mean to say that

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it's not possible that there would be

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aliens or room for aliens and this type

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of philosophy and scenario it just means

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that I know the limitations and a lot of

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the stuff that I'm hearing or seeing I

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just I just really don't buy into I I'm

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perfectly willing to look at it and I'm

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open-minded enough to take it seriously

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but my policy is it's always good to

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have an open mind but not so open that

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your brains fall out and there's a lot

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of gray matter on sidewalks these days

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and that to me that's a real serious

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issue for ufology numbers of other areas

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of study as well but certainly within

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ecology well you know maybe what we want

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to do here on this episode in addition

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to talking about cases in case histories

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is of course to kind of separate the

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signal from the noise here and see where

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the facts are what we have to explore

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what we really have to look for now

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that's a tall order in a lot of cases

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because

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we may not even know it is talking about

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separating the facts from the noise

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there's a lot of noise we may have

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trouble distinguishing what the truth

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signal is and it's it's a serious

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problem

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well one particular area of UFO research

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that really really gets a lot of pro and

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con attention and sometimes you know

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just really nasty some of the

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discussions is UFO abductions of course

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you did a book back in what 1999

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abductions and aliens what's really

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going on so since you raised the

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question let's start with that before we

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even get into case histories what is

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really going on with abductions well I

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got into it because I didn't have people

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coming to me privately after my talks

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and some TV appearances and so forth

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saying you know they think they've had

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some experience where they've been taken

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on board they have Park memories they

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have in some cases full memories or they

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just have this nagging suspicion or

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dreams and they wanted to know can I

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help them try and sort it out and I

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started working with the clinical

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psychologists because I certainly don't

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have the background in hypnotherapy and

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in counseling because my concern was a

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lot of the people who were coming to me

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have very very high anxiety levels they

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in fact some were downright paranoid but

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some are just simply very worried it was

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affecting their daily live they were

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worried that they were being watched or

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that their lives are being manipulated

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and and I started to think well I really

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want to study this and supposedly if

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those this is one way of trying to get

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some information out so I went to a

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clinical psychologist I talked with him

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about the you know whether some of his

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background might be appropriate for use

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in working with clients who I believed

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they were abductees I will get into more

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of that with Chris rutkowski covering

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his studies of the UFO abduction

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phenomena and lots lots more with Jean

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you are tuned in to the para cast let me

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that George Noory Chris Rutkowski

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joining us on the para casts a UFO

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researcher from Canada someone well

613
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steeped in the sciences we're exploring

614
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a lot of different aspects of UFOs

615
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during this session with Jeanne and

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Chris we're covering abduction so what

617
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Chris was saying is that people after

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the lectures you give would present

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possible abduction cases and you went to

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seek some professional guidance into

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this investigation please continue yes I

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had spoken with a clinical psychologist

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who as a matter of course and his own

624
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work had employed hypnosis for working

625
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with memories but also more importantly

626
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to deal with people's anxiety and to me

627
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that's a very critical key within

628
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:02,440
abductions that certainly people who say

629
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they have had an abduction experience I

630
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have a lot of worries they're concerned

631
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about are they going crazy or is this

632
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something unusual it may be affecting

633
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their families maybe there's marks on

634
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their bodies that they're worried about

635
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so in some cases were they're really

636
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concerned I thought it was appropriate

637
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to work with the clinical psychologist

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especially one who is a matter of course

639
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used hypnosis and we started working

640
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with individuals one on one and the

641
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clinical psychologist would after a

642
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number of sessions of counseling because

643
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it's just not the type of thing you walk

644
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right in and hypnotize somebody and get

645
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results but the matter of getting to

646
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know the client getting to understand

647
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what's really going on and then

648
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eventually as one of many tools in

649
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dealing with anxiety and people's

650
00:29:00,240 --> 00:28:56,350
experiences the psychologist did employ

651
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:00,250
some hypnosis to try and get at the

652
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source of the anxiety and some of the

653
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:04,929
sessions were recorded some of the

654
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sessions where with me in the room most

655
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without because it certainly is a

656
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:11,679
one-on-one personal thing and you know

657
00:29:15,869 --> 00:29:12,850
there were some interesting results

658
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:15,879
there was one individual who had

659
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:19,120
recalled very very vivid experience

660
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:21,490
where he was going for bed and he was

661
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:22,450
that

662
00:29:27,650 --> 00:29:25,570
a bit already and he suddenly felt

663
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:27,660
paralyzed again a classic abduction

664
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experience where he couldn't move and he

665
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saw an image of some creature coming out

666
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of the wall or apparently near a window

667
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coming towards him and a face appeared

668
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with part of the body getting closer and

669
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closer interestingly in this particular

670
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:50,920
case it was not a standard gray it was a

671
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creature with kind of a white face with

672
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actually a helmet on when very slit like

673
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:00,730
eyes and it approached the witness who

674
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:02,770
was laying in the bed with an

675
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outstretched arm that that was carrying

676
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a a long pole or a long spear type

677
00:30:16,740 --> 00:30:11,550
object with a ball on the end that was

678
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:16,750
lit up and this spear went closer and

679
00:30:20,850 --> 00:30:19,330
closer and the witness that he was

680
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:20,860
getting more panicked and more panicked

681
00:30:25,620 --> 00:30:23,890
and more panicked when the ball on the

682
00:30:29,940 --> 00:30:25,630
end of the shaft touched the person's

683
00:30:32,820 --> 00:30:29,950
forehead there was a rush of memory that

684
00:30:35,340 --> 00:30:32,830
came out of the person's - if all his

685
00:30:38,250 --> 00:30:35,350
memories are being sucked out and it was

686
00:30:41,610 --> 00:30:38,260
very very traumatic and when this was

687
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:41,620
occurring in the chair and the clinical

688
00:30:45,630 --> 00:30:43,810
psychologist office this person was

689
00:30:47,850 --> 00:30:45,640
getting very very more agitated more

690
00:30:50,700 --> 00:30:47,860
agitated and literally left out of the

691
00:30:55,070 --> 00:30:50,710
chair because he was so upset by what

692
00:30:57,540 --> 00:30:55,080
was occurring to him and after we were

693
00:31:00,210 --> 00:30:57,550
discussing what had happened we the

694
00:31:02,940 --> 00:31:00,220
psychologist myself he admitted that in

695
00:31:05,610 --> 00:31:02,950
his 20 or 25 years of experience and

696
00:31:07,980 --> 00:31:05,620
working with clients and this included

697
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:07,990
working for around of the police he said

698
00:31:12,980 --> 00:31:10,720
this was the most profound and there was

699
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:12,990
a violent reaction that he had ever

700
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:16,330
witnessed from a client who was under

701
00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:19,690
hypnosis so to me what this tells me is

702
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:22,390
that abductees are experiencing some

703
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:25,450
very very traumatic events and whether

704
00:31:32,150 --> 00:31:28,450
they really are representative of alien

705
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:32,160
intervention-- or not this suggests that

706
00:31:39,330 --> 00:31:36,130
the clients the abductees experiences

707
00:31:41,820 --> 00:31:39,340
be taken very very seriously and that

708
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:41,830
perhaps clinical psychologists with a

709
00:31:47,010 --> 00:31:43,930
lot more experience than most ufologists

710
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:47,020
should be the ones studying and working

711
00:31:52,410 --> 00:31:49,330
with them and this was even emphasized

712
00:31:54,540 --> 00:31:52,420
further a number of years later where I

713
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:54,550
had been approached by several different

714
00:31:59,610 --> 00:31:57,370
individuals who had expressed thoughts

715
00:32:02,280 --> 00:31:59,620
of suicide because they felt that the

716
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:02,290
aliens who had taken so much control of

717
00:32:07,470 --> 00:32:04,410
their lives that it was pointless to

718
00:32:09,900 --> 00:32:07,480
resist and what's life worth living and

719
00:32:11,130 --> 00:32:09,910
if you have no control over your life

720
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:11,140
anymore and so forth

721
00:32:16,980 --> 00:32:14,110
and once you start getting into the

722
00:32:20,220 --> 00:32:16,990
realm of people saying that they might

723
00:32:22,740 --> 00:32:20,230
commit suicide I think ufologists will

724
00:32:25,620 --> 00:32:22,750
start doing more harm than good if they

725
00:32:27,420 --> 00:32:25,630
don't refer somebody to a therapist a

726
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:27,430
clinical psychologist or in fact a

727
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:29,290
psychiatrist to help the person get

728
00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:31,810
through the anxiety apart from the fact

729
00:32:35,940 --> 00:32:33,910
and whether or not they've actually been

730
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:35,950
abducted by aliens this is a situation

731
00:32:40,830 --> 00:32:38,890
where people are really needing some

732
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:40,840
help with things that are going on in

733
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:42,730
their lives and should be left to the

734
00:32:47,850 --> 00:32:45,330
professionals and in most cases

735
00:32:51,230 --> 00:32:47,860
ufologists are not professional yeah

736
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:51,240
it's a very very complicated scenario

737
00:33:01,230 --> 00:32:56,970
there may be many operating factors just

738
00:33:03,540 --> 00:33:01,240
human dreams state I mean even frontal

739
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:03,550
lobe epilepsy has been touted as as

740
00:33:08,430 --> 00:33:04,810
producing hallucinatory experiences

741
00:33:11,130 --> 00:33:08,440
similar to to what are described as

742
00:33:13,220 --> 00:33:11,140
abduction case as well where do you come

743
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:13,230
down about the use of hypnosis Chris

744
00:33:19,710 --> 00:33:16,090
this is I think really lies at the heart

745
00:33:24,020 --> 00:33:19,720
of abduction research because you have

746
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:24,030
your you know barely retained conscious

747
00:33:29,730 --> 00:33:26,650
images in your mind in scenarios and

748
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:29,740
then this regressed you know material

749
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:31,840
being pulled out hypnotically where do

750
00:33:38,790 --> 00:33:35,530
you fall in in terms of that is being

751
00:33:42,780 --> 00:33:38,800
used as a good research tool for lack of

752
00:33:45,570 --> 00:33:42,790
a better term well you know it's a

753
00:33:47,790 --> 00:33:45,580
tricky situation because when you say

754
00:33:49,210 --> 00:33:47,800
that at the research tool that's exactly

755
00:33:52,899 --> 00:33:49,220
what it is and it it

756
00:33:55,330 --> 00:33:52,909
a tool not retool I think that a lot

757
00:33:57,930 --> 00:33:55,340
could be gained through relaxation

758
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:57,940
techniques in order to help abductees

759
00:34:03,820 --> 00:34:01,120
get more control over their lives and

760
00:34:05,620 --> 00:34:03,830
get a better handle on what's going on

761
00:34:07,630 --> 00:34:05,630
the other thing is there haven't been a

762
00:34:09,399 --> 00:34:07,640
lot of research there's been some

763
00:34:14,109 --> 00:34:09,409
correlative studies that suggest that

764
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:14,119
now abductees may or may not have high

765
00:34:23,230 --> 00:34:21,040
social correlations with things like or

766
00:34:26,649 --> 00:34:23,240
other emotional events in their lives

767
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:26,659
there are cases of abductees who have

768
00:34:33,220 --> 00:34:30,649
had histories of being abused of had

769
00:34:37,389 --> 00:34:33,230
other traumatic events major losses of

770
00:34:41,220 --> 00:34:37,399
parents children close relatives great

771
00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:41,230
job loss feeling detached in the world

772
00:34:47,050 --> 00:34:44,270
that type of thing in fact if you look

773
00:34:49,530 --> 00:34:47,060
through John Mack's classic book there's

774
00:34:52,180 --> 00:34:49,540
case after case of people who were

775
00:34:53,889 --> 00:34:52,190
having difficulty in intimate

776
00:34:56,740 --> 00:34:53,899
relationships and relational problems

777
00:34:59,140 --> 00:34:56,750
who had some histories of abuse who had

778
00:35:02,980 --> 00:34:59,150
a number of other factories involved and

779
00:35:07,540 --> 00:35:02,990
I think that if we ignore the this

780
00:35:09,310 --> 00:35:07,550
particular type of psychopathology when

781
00:35:11,260 --> 00:35:09,320
we're dealing with people who have had

782
00:35:13,780 --> 00:35:11,270
abduction experiences that's not to say

783
00:35:14,980 --> 00:35:13,790
that everyone who reports on Dutch

784
00:35:17,650 --> 00:35:14,990
experience has this type of

785
00:35:20,670 --> 00:35:17,660
psychopathology but in many cases this

786
00:35:23,020 --> 00:35:20,680
is true and I think that perhaps those

787
00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:23,030
abduction experiences because of the

788
00:35:28,690 --> 00:35:24,710
nature of the individuals who have come

789
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:28,700
forward and who are being studied are so

790
00:35:33,579 --> 00:35:31,280
different from at least inherently

791
00:35:36,579 --> 00:35:33,589
between those and the people and people

792
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:36,589
who do not exhibit any psychopathology

793
00:35:42,670 --> 00:35:38,810
those types of abduction experiences

794
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:42,680
can't be the same type of phenomena

795
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:44,450
there is one issue here of course that

796
00:35:49,540 --> 00:35:46,730
maybe we should explore further would

797
00:35:52,089 --> 00:35:49,550
you be suggesting then that maybe in

798
00:35:55,660 --> 00:35:52,099
some cases the abduction experience is

799
00:35:57,550 --> 00:35:55,670
masking this trauma it's being mass in

800
00:35:59,200 --> 00:35:57,560
some kind of pop culture way and of

801
00:36:01,460 --> 00:35:59,210
course these days we think about gray

802
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:01,470
aliens coming here maybe you

803
00:36:07,130 --> 00:36:04,050
those and we have all these very famous

804
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:07,140
abduction cases rather than say that

805
00:36:12,740 --> 00:36:10,410
they were abused as a child or underwent

806
00:36:17,210 --> 00:36:12,750
some kind of other traumatic experience

807
00:36:19,339 --> 00:36:17,220
it is being masked in a way that makes

808
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:19,349
them more comfortable to express it why

809
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:22,170
say it happened to me directly if it's

810
00:36:26,270 --> 00:36:24,090
in the hands of an alien powerful alien

811
00:36:28,099 --> 00:36:26,280
species they can say well I had no

812
00:36:29,690 --> 00:36:28,109
control they're aliens what am I

813
00:36:33,020 --> 00:36:29,700
supposed to be able to do it we have

814
00:36:34,910 --> 00:36:33,030
Chris Rutkowski and we're covering the

815
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whole range of UFO related subjects

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in the para cast we're talking about

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abductions because he wrote a book on

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the subject back in 1999 I don't know if

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you can even get a copy

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it's called abductions and aliens what's

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really going on so Chris the scenario I

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painted that some objections mask this

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other trauma where is that stand I

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wouldn't doubt that that's possible in

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fact there was a number of cases that

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hadn't presented to me one in particular

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where a woman had reported having an

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abduction experience where she

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remembered being in bed and a creature

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coming into her bedroom and causing her

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severe pain and the seemed to be

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something that was completely terrifying

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her she believed that it had something

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to do with aliens we had met with her

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for all three or four times before we

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attempted to set up an interview for

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hypnotic regression but it turns out

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that the session just before that we

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were going to be doing the hypnotic

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regression when we had asked her a

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number of questions previous I had

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anything happened that particular day

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that you can remember and you know how

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what happened the course of the day did

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something happened the night before and

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most of the time she came herself and

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once in a while she had brought her

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husband along and he was with us in the

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room that time and again we said are you

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you remember nothing from from that

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particular day and she would say well no

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the really uneventful day you know I

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went to the market and I had dropped off

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a letter to mail and this type of thing

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and her husband said well apart from

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your meeting with me with the other

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psychiatrist and we asked about that and

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turns out that that particular meeting

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with a different psychiatrist this woman

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had made a breakthrough regarding

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something that had a

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early in her life not long before this

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particular alien abduction experience

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have said to have been occurred she had

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been date-raped and after some

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additional counseling and therapy it

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turned out that she had actually you

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know used this scenario of the alien

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abduction as a mask in her own mind and

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had transferred it directly into the

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image of the the alien abduction from

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this image of a creature obviously a

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horrible person creature thing that had

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actually date raped her and had caused

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her a lot of pain and it sent her into

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the hospital and yet she had later

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imagined that this was somehow related

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to an alien abduction and had completely

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blocked that from any conscious memory

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so because we're dealing with these

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types of emotions and situations and

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human experiences again I emphasize I

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would really like to see a lot more

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involvement by the medical community the

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psychological psychiatric community in

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helping people get through abduction

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experiences and I have to emphasize

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though this does not mean that I think

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that all abduction cases can be resolved

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or related in this manner that's simply

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not true I have many cases that I have

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worked with the people have come to me

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with no obvious history of

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psychopathology with no suggestion that

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there is anything out of the ordinary in

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their lives and they seem to be

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well-balanced individuals very

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responsible in some aspects of society

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and they simply reported some very

1010
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bizarre experiences that have all the

1011
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earmarks of classic abduction

1012
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now speaking of classic abductions what

1013
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do you think about the classic cases

1014
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such as Betty and Barney Hill well you

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know I spoke with her niece I had time

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to talk with her and Stan Freedman

1017
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number of occasions related to their

1018
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book which was out just a year or two

1019
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ago I find there's a lot more to the

1020
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story than simply dismissing it as many

1021
00:45:28,590 --> 00:45:27,880
skeptics do I really think that's

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00:45:30,690 --> 00:45:28,600
something

1023
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:30,700
bizarre happened to them I don't know

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what it was and I it's perfectly

1025
00:45:37,890 --> 00:45:35,740
reasonable and valid in us to a

1026
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:37,900
scientist to say I simply don't know a

1027
00:45:43,380 --> 00:45:41,290
lot of scientists in dealing with the

1028
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:43,390
field of ufology and abductions and so

1029
00:45:49,230 --> 00:45:45,610
forth if they have their own inherent

1030
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:49,240
biases we'll start to say that till it's

1031
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:51,130
obviously a hoax or it's obviously this

1032
00:45:54,420 --> 00:45:52,570
or it's obviously that well it's not

1033
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:54,430
obvious at all in fact there's

1034
00:45:59,100 --> 00:45:56,410
contradictory evidence there's a

1035
00:46:00,930 --> 00:45:59,110
supportive evidence but to me it's a

1036
00:46:02,700 --> 00:46:00,940
very interesting case that simply can't

1037
00:46:06,060 --> 00:46:02,710
be easily dismissed as one thing or

1038
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:06,070
another I was very impressed with Betty

1039
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:08,410
Mills nice when I had a time to talk

1040
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:10,510
with Kathleen Martin yes she's been on

1041
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show several times right and you know

1042
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:14,560
and she and they're speaking of those

1043
00:46:20,460 --> 00:46:16,960
issues someone who has studied hypnosis

1044
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:20,470
to a great degree as well and I really

1045
00:46:27,150 --> 00:46:24,370
find the story very fascinating I can't

1046
00:46:29,220 --> 00:46:27,160
dismiss it with a lot of ease at all

1047
00:46:31,860 --> 00:46:29,230
what do you think here of though about

1048
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:31,870
the heavy participation of cemani laymen

1049
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:35,440
in research into abductions and we think

1050
00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:37,450
of people like David Jacobs the late

1051
00:46:42,590 --> 00:46:39,730
Budd Hopkins and people of that nature

1052
00:46:44,730 --> 00:46:42,600
do you think they relied sufficiently on

1053
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:44,740
mental health professionals are you

1054
00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:47,890
aware of their methods well I did speak

1055
00:46:55,890 --> 00:46:50,710
to but on a number of occasions not many

1056
00:46:58,770 --> 00:46:55,900
but I was you know impressed with with

1057
00:47:01,560 --> 00:46:58,780
his care and concern for the individuals

1058
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:01,570
who he was working with I don't recall

1059
00:47:06,330 --> 00:47:04,290
whether he worked very intently with

1060
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:06,340
medical professionals which I would have

1061
00:47:13,290 --> 00:47:10,290
liked to have seen more involvement and

1062
00:47:18,090 --> 00:47:13,300
David Jacobs you know his background is

1063
00:47:20,670 --> 00:47:18,100
history rather than medicine so you know

1064
00:47:22,650 --> 00:47:20,680
he think he certainly could have

1065
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:22,660
benefited by working more closely with

1066
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:24,730
people in the medical profession simply

1067
00:47:28,580 --> 00:47:26,770
because when you're again when you're

1068
00:47:32,540 --> 00:47:28,590
dealing with people with some

1069
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psychopathology with issues related to

1070
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relational problems with abuse and so

1071
00:47:40,260 --> 00:47:38,440
forth I think it would be worth it is

1072
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:40,270
worthwhile it's always worthwhile and

1073
00:47:44,170 --> 00:47:41,839
recommended to have professional

1074
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:44,180
work very closely with the individualism

1075
00:47:49,269 --> 00:47:47,119
that's not what I was hearing from a lot

1076
00:47:51,519 --> 00:47:49,279
of the studies that I've seen and that's

1077
00:47:54,489 --> 00:47:51,529
not necessarily a lot of what I was

1078
00:47:56,049 --> 00:47:54,499
hearing and reading from a lot of the

1079
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studies that have been done in the past

1080
00:48:00,699 --> 00:47:58,789
but is it also possible here that one

1081
00:48:03,099 --> 00:48:00,709
reason why these people get into it is

1082
00:48:05,049 --> 00:48:03,109
because a lot of people are claiming to

1083
00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:05,059
have these experiences and mental health

1084
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professionals are reluctant to get mixed

1085
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up with this stuff point and something

1086
00:48:18,699 --> 00:48:15,819
that I agree wholeheartedly there was a

1087
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:18,709
study a number of years ago and actually

1088
00:48:24,729 --> 00:48:22,249
on the MIT conference where it was

1089
00:48:27,130 --> 00:48:24,739
highly recommended by another ravenna

1090
00:48:28,959 --> 00:48:27,140
soldiers like David Gottlieb who said

1091
00:48:30,339 --> 00:48:28,969
you know we should have more medical

1092
00:48:32,799 --> 00:48:30,349
professionals getting involved in the

1093
00:48:34,839 --> 00:48:32,809
abduction experience because people need

1094
00:48:40,179 --> 00:48:34,849
the help and they will in many cases

1095
00:48:41,979 --> 00:48:40,189
turn to their own family doctor or if

1096
00:48:43,749 --> 00:48:41,989
they have an appointment with it they

1097
00:48:45,999 --> 00:48:43,759
can get into a psychiatrist which is

1098
00:48:48,759 --> 00:48:46,009
very difficult and they dismissed or

1099
00:48:50,380 --> 00:48:48,769
categorized as as something very

1100
00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:50,390
different and they may find themselves

1101
00:48:56,739 --> 00:48:53,089
under treatment for things that are not

1102
00:48:58,179 --> 00:48:56,749
completely appropriate so I think the

1103
00:49:01,299 --> 00:48:58,189
problem is the medical session hasn't

1104
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:01,309
been taking it seriously enough and it's

1105
00:49:05,289 --> 00:49:03,890
a sort of a vicious circle the medical

1106
00:49:08,859 --> 00:49:05,299
profession does one has much to do with

1107
00:49:11,019 --> 00:49:08,869
abduction phenomenon and yet that seems

1108
00:49:12,910 --> 00:49:11,029
to be where we'd like to see more work

1109
00:49:15,759 --> 00:49:12,920
and it's yeah and there's a lot of

1110
00:49:18,759 --> 00:49:15,769
people in me help absolutely and there

1111
00:49:21,459 --> 00:49:18,769
if the numbers are true that you know

1112
00:49:22,929 --> 00:49:21,469
we're talking ten percent 15 percent I

1113
00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:22,939
don't know how what some of the latest

1114
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:25,910
figures are from studies but if there

1115
00:49:30,479 --> 00:49:27,410
really are that many people needing that

1116
00:49:33,729 --> 00:49:30,489
help and they simply can't get it then

1117
00:49:35,559 --> 00:49:33,739
we're really behind the eight-ball

1118
00:49:37,359 --> 00:49:35,569
there's really not much help we can

1119
00:49:41,949 --> 00:49:37,369
offer people so that's why people will

1120
00:49:43,179 --> 00:49:41,959
turn to laymen who may not have the

1121
00:49:44,919 --> 00:49:43,189
knowledge because out of the background

1122
00:49:46,959 --> 00:49:44,929
but at least they're willing to listen

1123
00:49:48,279 --> 00:49:46,969
you know one thing it also makes it

1124
00:49:50,439 --> 00:49:48,289
difficult doing this kind of

1125
00:49:53,169 --> 00:49:50,449
investigation someone has to pay the

1126
00:49:54,940 --> 00:49:53,179
mental health professional I know the

1127
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:54,950
health care situation in

1128
00:49:59,650 --> 00:49:57,650
Canada is different in the USA but here

1129
00:50:01,180 --> 00:49:59,660
in the USA what a lot of Psychiatrists

1130
00:50:04,030 --> 00:50:01,190
will do these days is they're not

1131
00:50:05,859 --> 00:50:04,040
getting paid to see somebody year in and

1132
00:50:07,540 --> 00:50:05,869
year out by the health insurance

1133
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:07,550
companies are getting very little money

1134
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,650
so if the patient can't afford it

1135
00:50:14,829 --> 00:50:11,680
they'll give them a pill and say go home

1136
00:50:16,660 --> 00:50:14,839
that's absolutely true it's very very

1137
00:50:18,220 --> 00:50:16,670
expensive very time consuming even from

1138
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:18,230
the cases that I worked with but I

1139
00:50:22,780 --> 00:50:21,200
certainly didn't work with with anywhere

1140
00:50:24,930 --> 00:50:22,790
near as many and some of the other

1141
00:50:27,940 --> 00:50:24,940
people involved in abduction research

1142
00:50:30,430 --> 00:50:27,950
but even the one that I worked with I

1143
00:50:33,579 --> 00:50:30,440
made a point of meeting with them

1144
00:50:35,319 --> 00:50:33,589
several times as I mentioned before even

1145
00:50:38,589 --> 00:50:35,329
attempting to discuss things like it got

1146
00:50:40,030 --> 00:50:38,599
a progression because it was a matter of

1147
00:50:42,099 --> 00:50:40,040
getting to know the people finding out

1148
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:42,109
the complete story checking backgrounds

1149
00:50:46,420 --> 00:50:43,520
making them more relaxed making them

1150
00:50:48,849 --> 00:50:46,430
more comfortable and this takes time and

1151
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:48,859
you know the number of hours that I

1152
00:50:56,349 --> 00:50:53,210
spent per individual would easily be

1153
00:50:58,540 --> 00:50:56,359
twenty thirty in some cases forty hours

1154
00:51:00,339 --> 00:50:58,550
working with people before we even got

1155
00:51:03,970 --> 00:51:00,349
to have not a progression stage and

1156
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:03,980
that's simply not feasible for many

1157
00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:05,839
psychiatrists and the clinical

1158
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:08,510
professionals even therapists whose

1159
00:51:12,849 --> 00:51:11,210
rates are obviously much lower than like

1160
00:51:15,930 --> 00:51:12,859
I admit yeah can you imagine a

1161
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:15,940
psychiatrist at 150 or 200 hours an hour

1162
00:51:22,059 --> 00:51:19,359
and they have to see you 30 40 times and

1163
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:22,069
you think well who's going to finance

1164
00:51:26,650 --> 00:51:24,650
this thing Chris rutkowski will not

1165
00:51:29,020 --> 00:51:26,660
finance it normal gene Steinberg and

1166
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:29,030
Chris O'Brien but you're still in the

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here's Jane Steinberg Cris Rutkowski

1202
00:53:15,609 --> 00:53:13,760
joining us with Jean and Chris we're

1203
00:53:17,980 --> 00:53:15,619
talking about abductions now since you

1204
00:53:20,050 --> 00:53:17,990
wrote the book which is what 12 years

1205
00:53:23,050 --> 00:53:20,060
ago have you done much further research

1206
00:53:24,910 --> 00:53:23,060
into abductions not a lot for about

1207
00:53:27,849 --> 00:53:24,920
three or four years following the book

1208
00:53:29,890 --> 00:53:27,859
of course that generated interest from

1209
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:29,900
people talking with me about it their

1210
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:31,490
own experiences and I would say that

1211
00:53:38,980 --> 00:53:36,880
even now I get maybe one or two cases

1212
00:53:41,380 --> 00:53:38,990
presenting themselves to me every year

1213
00:53:44,460 --> 00:53:41,390
but the numbers are certainly dwindling

1214
00:53:46,780 --> 00:53:44,470
as far as as far as I can see of the

1215
00:53:48,970 --> 00:53:46,790
various abduction cases are you

1216
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:48,980
investigated before the book was

1217
00:53:54,430 --> 00:53:51,650
published till now can you maybe you

1218
00:53:56,410 --> 00:53:54,440
summarized another case or so that

1219
00:53:58,570 --> 00:53:56,420
seemed compelling to you something you

1220
00:54:02,200 --> 00:53:58,580
can't figure out well one of the most

1221
00:54:07,089 --> 00:54:02,210
interesting cases happened a number of

1222
00:54:11,859 --> 00:54:07,099
years ago when a nurse had approached me

1223
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:11,869
she had said you know I work you know a

1224
00:54:16,690 --> 00:54:14,570
lot of hours I'm working late night and

1225
00:54:19,810 --> 00:54:16,700
shift work and I really don't have time

1226
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:19,820
for watching science fiction films and

1227
00:54:25,660 --> 00:54:22,400
things on TV and I don't have time to

1228
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:25,670
read science fiction books but I had

1229
00:54:30,220 --> 00:54:27,290
something very strange happened to me

1230
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:30,230
and I can't explain it so I went to

1231
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:32,720
visit her and talked with her at length

1232
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:35,330
and her story was this that she had been

1233
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:38,510
working a late shift had come home about

1234
00:54:43,810 --> 00:54:41,210
three or four in the morning was very

1235
00:54:45,730 --> 00:54:43,820
very tired by their own admission at the

1236
00:54:47,770 --> 00:54:45,740
same time she had that kind of buzz that

1237
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:47,780
you get from having been up for four

1238
00:54:52,359 --> 00:54:50,240
twelve or fourteen or how many hours so

1239
00:54:54,910 --> 00:54:52,369
she was entombed any any time ready to

1240
00:54:58,240 --> 00:54:54,920
go to sleep but she had entered her

1241
00:55:00,280 --> 00:54:58,250
apartment and had gone through the

1242
00:55:03,550 --> 00:55:00,290
living room into her bedroom area and

1243
00:55:06,490 --> 00:55:03,560
was preparing for to get ready for bed

1244
00:55:08,259 --> 00:55:06,500
she was still fully dressed when she

1245
00:55:10,359 --> 00:55:08,269
heard a thump and a bang

1246
00:55:14,169 --> 00:55:10,369
from out in the living room now she

1247
00:55:17,379 --> 00:55:14,179
lived you know an apartment block where

1248
00:55:21,879 --> 00:55:17,389
there were some old college students and

1249
00:55:24,489 --> 00:55:21,889
some young people and it was a lower

1250
00:55:26,499 --> 00:55:24,499
rent neighborhood so you know there were

1251
00:55:27,939 --> 00:55:26,509
people who cause trouble in hallways at

1252
00:55:30,339 --> 00:55:27,949
3:00 or 4:00 in the morning sometimes

1253
00:55:31,989 --> 00:55:30,349
yeah I used to do that when I was a kid

1254
00:55:33,939 --> 00:55:31,999
I used to cause all sorts of trouble

1255
00:55:36,909 --> 00:55:33,949
with my friends not 3:00 or 4:00 in the

1256
00:55:40,329 --> 00:55:36,919
morning but always in a tenement in

1257
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:40,339
Brooklyn on the top floor the people

1258
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:42,079
underneath would say what's all that

1259
00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:49,729
jumping and something all resemble that

1260
00:55:56,079 --> 00:55:53,839
remark so she was she was a little

1261
00:55:57,669 --> 00:55:56,089
annoyed at this and she figured you know

1262
00:55:59,739 --> 00:55:57,679
she really wants to get some sleep this

1263
00:56:00,999 --> 00:55:59,749
this night so she's gonna go out and

1264
00:56:02,799 --> 00:56:01,009
give him a piece of her mind

1265
00:56:05,409 --> 00:56:02,809
so she stormed out of her bedroom with

1266
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:05,419
the intention of opening the door from

1267
00:56:09,639 --> 00:56:07,609
the living room into the hallway and

1268
00:56:11,139 --> 00:56:09,649
yelling at whoever was doing that except

1269
00:56:14,379 --> 00:56:11,149
when she got into the living room there

1270
00:56:15,629 --> 00:56:14,389
were two creatures two little beings

1271
00:56:18,779 --> 00:56:15,639
about four feet high

1272
00:56:21,819 --> 00:56:18,789
again deviating from the standard grave

1273
00:56:23,499 --> 00:56:21,829
with these creatures had round heads

1274
00:56:27,219 --> 00:56:23,509
they were all white

1275
00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:27,229
they had very round bulbous eyes slits

1276
00:56:31,959 --> 00:56:29,209
four mouths and they seemed to be

1277
00:56:35,589 --> 00:56:31,969
wearing long white togas or long white

1278
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:35,599
gowns and her first reaction was oh no

1279
00:56:40,569 --> 00:56:37,609
it's Halloween already and they got into

1280
00:56:41,859 --> 00:56:40,579
my apartment so she immediately said to

1281
00:56:43,869 --> 00:56:41,869
these two creatures who are standing

1282
00:56:45,549 --> 00:56:43,879
just a matter of six or eight feet away

1283
00:56:47,619 --> 00:56:45,559
from her how did you get into my

1284
00:56:49,269 --> 00:56:47,629
apartment I don't have any candy for you

1285
00:56:51,009 --> 00:56:49,279
what are you doing here and these two

1286
00:56:52,839 --> 00:56:51,019
creatures looked at her and then they

1287
00:56:54,669 --> 00:56:52,849
looked at one another and then they

1288
00:56:57,219 --> 00:56:54,679
looked back at her and as soon as they

1289
00:56:59,499 --> 00:56:57,229
did that she realized these are not kids

1290
00:57:03,519 --> 00:56:59,509
looking for Halloween treats she said

1291
00:57:05,379 --> 00:57:03,529
that she asked them who they are she was

1292
00:57:08,169 --> 00:57:05,389
taken aback she had no idea what was

1293
00:57:12,249 --> 00:57:08,179
going on and somehow telepathically they

1294
00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:12,259
said that we're here to visit you to

1295
00:57:16,419 --> 00:57:14,689
talk with you and we would like to know

1296
00:57:18,879 --> 00:57:16,429
if you would like to come with us for a

1297
00:57:20,979 --> 00:57:18,889
ride you know hey you want to come for a

1298
00:57:22,270 --> 00:57:20,989
ride what a great pickup line but here's

1299
00:57:26,510 --> 00:57:22,280
these creatures in her own

1300
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:26,520
little girl basking ISM and she just

1301
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:30,960
like I guess so and the next thing she

1302
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:34,970
knows she's not in her apartment all

1303
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:38,130
she's walking through a very large

1304
00:57:43,850 --> 00:57:41,130
hangar area with one creature in front

1305
00:57:47,630 --> 00:57:43,860
of her and one creature behind her

1306
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:47,640
and she's being led across this hangar

1307
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:50,010
area where she could see a number of

1308
00:57:57,050 --> 00:57:53,370
classic you know the saucer shape the

1309
00:57:59,720 --> 00:57:57,060
cigar shaped objects and she was led

1310
00:58:01,960 --> 00:57:59,730
into a door that was in the side of a

1311
00:58:06,650 --> 00:58:01,970
large sauce and a cigar shaped object

1312
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:06,660
she was led in there led down a gangway

1313
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:09,090
of some sort into a control room in the

1314
00:58:14,780 --> 00:58:13,200
front of this craft and was indicated

1315
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:14,790
that she should sit between these two

1316
00:58:20,690 --> 00:58:17,370
creatures who had sort of a Star Trek II

1317
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:20,700
console with a view screen and she saw a

1318
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:23,250
picture in the earth appear on the

1319
00:58:28,790 --> 00:58:25,290
screen and forever getting smaller and

1320
00:58:31,340 --> 00:58:28,800
smaller and smaller and then the next

1321
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:31,350
thing she remembers is that she's back

1322
00:58:37,420 --> 00:58:34,530
in her bedroom on the side of the bed

1323
00:58:42,260 --> 00:58:37,430
away from the door to the living room

1324
00:58:44,990 --> 00:58:42,270
the bed is still made up not slept in

1325
00:58:48,380 --> 00:58:45,000
she's still in her clothes her shoes are

1326
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:48,390
still on and two to three hours have

1327
00:58:52,670 --> 00:58:50,400
passed from the time that she had gone

1328
00:58:54,350 --> 00:58:52,680
home and she had no recollection of what

1329
00:58:56,750 --> 00:58:54,360
might have transpired during that time

1330
00:58:59,870 --> 00:58:56,760
now she said to me you know I don't have

1331
00:59:02,840 --> 00:58:59,880
vivid dreams I'm sure I was awake I'm

1332
00:59:06,860 --> 00:59:02,850
sure this really happened but what was

1333
00:59:09,110 --> 00:59:06,870
this and you helped me and you know she

1334
00:59:12,140 --> 00:59:09,120
had no reason to make this up she had no

1335
00:59:15,590 --> 00:59:12,150
reason to to fabricate anything she had

1336
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:15,600
no gain everything to lose and I had no

1337
00:59:24,259 --> 00:59:17,730
explanation for what might have occurred

1338
00:59:25,609 --> 00:59:24,269
what can we say and in in Kris way

1339
00:59:30,129 --> 00:59:25,619
you never mentioned where she was

1340
00:59:34,819 --> 00:59:30,139
located I don't think we're about so

1341
00:59:37,729 --> 00:59:34,829
pretty what a pig I don't know what to

1342
00:59:40,729 --> 00:59:37,739
make of that boy great witness has no

1343
00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:40,739
like you said has no there's no apparent

1344
00:59:46,009 --> 00:59:42,559
reason why should we come forward with

1345
00:59:47,629 --> 00:59:46,019
with a fabricated story like that it it

1346
00:59:49,639 --> 00:59:47,639
sounds actually very believable

1347
00:59:51,469 --> 00:59:49,649
I was interested I was interested

1348
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Christians in and you're saying that you

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seem to be seen a reduction of your uh

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01:00:00,529 --> 00:59:58,259
UFOs style abduction cases is do you

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01:00:02,329 --> 01:00:00,539
think this is because your book now is

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01:00:04,039 --> 01:00:02,339
ten years old and it's run its course or

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01:00:07,459 --> 01:00:04,049
do you think that your we're actually

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01:00:10,849 --> 01:00:07,469
witnessing a reduction possibly in in

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01:00:12,799 --> 01:00:10,859
claims of UFO abductions I kind of

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01:00:17,239 --> 01:00:12,809
sensed that for the last couple of years

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01:00:19,249 --> 01:00:17,249
right I do think that we we don't see or

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01:00:24,139 --> 01:00:19,259
hear as many abduction stories as we

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used to I mean well I will often get I

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01:00:30,829 --> 01:00:28,109
continually get UFO reports but very

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01:00:33,439 --> 01:00:30,839
very few abduction cases are coming to

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01:00:38,089 --> 01:00:33,449
me certainly not as many as we used to

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01:00:40,489 --> 01:00:38,099
get so Chris speaking of getting UFO

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reports I I want to make sure everybody

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out there and the para cast listen

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audience knows about the Canadian UFO

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survey that you've been involved with

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for quite some time and you your first

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01:00:59,929 --> 01:00:53,009
article that you released on your blog

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here in the you know why to 0 1 2 K it

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talks about classifying and studying UFO

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01:01:05,689 --> 01:01:03,779
cases now I'm not sure if you're aware

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of the work of race Stanford but

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recently we had rayon I consider ray

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probably in my estimation the preeminent

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01:01:20,539 --> 01:01:16,829
observer of UFOs especially analyzing

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photographs and films and he brought up

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some very interesting points of kind of

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rules of thumb for people to you know be

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aware of when they're out in the field

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01:01:34,669 --> 01:01:31,679
observing the sky and your article goes

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through and gives seven categories of

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01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:37,210
sightings that make sense to me

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01:01:43,140 --> 01:01:40,720
about how a vast majority of UFO reports

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01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:43,150
are actually misidentified mundane

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01:01:50,190 --> 01:01:45,730
phenomena and that's an area that I'd

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like to talk with you here and and try

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01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:53,020
to give our listening audience a you

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know a good sort of set of rules of

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thumb of you know what to look for when

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you're actually sky watching you're an

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01:02:03,740 --> 01:02:01,240
astronomer you're in a really good

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01:02:06,660 --> 01:02:03,750
position to to help some folks out there

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01:02:09,780 --> 01:02:06,670
absolutely I think maybe what we should

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01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:09,790
do here is do an overview of these

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01:02:14,310 --> 01:02:12,850
categories over the next few segments

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01:02:16,830 --> 01:02:14,320
just to give people kind of a background

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because we talk so much about sightings

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and a lot of arcane things here but it's

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a good idea for people to realize once

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01:02:27,510 --> 01:02:25,660
again that even if ET is there what 80

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01:02:30,170 --> 01:02:27,520
90 percent of the things they see in the

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01:02:32,970 --> 01:02:30,180
sky are just completely conventional

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01:02:35,130 --> 01:02:32,980
they're not UFOs you're not spaceships

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or not interdimensional beings probably

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a higher percentage than that even Jean

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perhaps you know it's hard to say Kris

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science writer from Canada talking about

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his investigation into UFOs with Gene

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and Chris when we broke we asked you

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least Chris O'Brien did about this

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article on classifying and studying UFO

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01:07:44,190 --> 01:07:41,320
cases seven categories could you maybe

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01:07:46,829 --> 01:07:44,200
cover them briefly well absolutely you

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01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:46,839
know there's many explanations for UFOs

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01:07:52,980 --> 01:07:50,290
you know there's there's just a plethora

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01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:52,990
of things that things could be high-neck

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01:07:57,780 --> 01:07:54,490
and a number of other individuals came

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01:07:59,970 --> 01:07:57,790
up with classification schemes but you

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01:08:02,550 --> 01:07:59,980
know there there are some basics around

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01:08:04,170 --> 01:08:02,560
there and if we just look at the basics

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01:08:06,599 --> 01:08:04,180
we can come up with some explanations

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01:08:09,630 --> 01:08:06,609
for a good chunk of what's what's being

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01:08:12,540 --> 01:08:09,640
reported certainly some cases are simple

1525
01:08:14,579 --> 01:08:12,550
fireballs or bolide and these are chunks

1526
01:08:17,519 --> 01:08:14,589
of comets that are impacting the

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01:08:20,309 --> 01:08:17,529
atmosphere and these are easy to pick

1528
01:08:21,809 --> 01:08:20,319
out of the data set of UFO reports

1529
01:08:23,789 --> 01:08:21,819
because they tend to be blue or green

1530
01:08:26,340 --> 01:08:23,799
they the sightings tend to be very

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01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:26,350
short-lived of the order of two three

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01:08:30,570 --> 01:08:29,170
four or five sometimes as long as ten

1533
01:08:33,690 --> 01:08:30,580
seconds depending on whether were in the

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01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:33,700
middle of a meteor storm or not they're

1535
01:08:37,559 --> 01:08:35,290
very easy to pick out they sometimes

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01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:37,569
they're described as long tear drops

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01:08:41,340 --> 01:08:39,370
with long tails and other

1538
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:41,350
characteristics or things like well it

1539
01:08:45,390 --> 01:08:43,210
looked like a plane was going to be

1540
01:08:47,849 --> 01:08:45,400
crashing just beyond the next hills

1541
01:08:49,709 --> 01:08:47,859
coming straight down at an angle and we

1542
01:08:51,150 --> 01:08:49,719
could see chunks flying off of it we're

1543
01:08:53,190 --> 01:08:51,160
absolutely certain that what we're

1544
01:08:56,220 --> 01:08:53,200
seeing was a plane crashing and these

1545
01:08:57,959 --> 01:08:56,230
are all descriptors of fireballs or Bowl

1546
01:09:00,150 --> 01:08:57,969
IDEs as astronomers like to call them

1547
01:09:02,820 --> 01:09:00,160
and they do account for a certain

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01:09:03,690 --> 01:09:02,830
percentage of the body of UFO reports

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01:09:05,690 --> 01:09:03,700
that we get

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01:09:09,060 --> 01:09:05,700
every year now people report seeing

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01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:09,070
starlight star like objects star like

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01:09:14,790 --> 01:09:12,370
light hanging in the sky for hours and

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01:09:16,890 --> 01:09:14,800
hours and hours and sometimes they're

1554
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:16,900
flashing different colors these are

1555
01:09:23,490 --> 01:09:20,290
usually stars or planets and the fact

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01:09:24,990 --> 01:09:23,500
that there is seen for many many minutes

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01:09:26,490 --> 01:09:25,000
and of the order of truth they are

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01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:26,500
sometimes people will say we've been

1559
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:28,210
watching them from midnight right until

1560
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:31,090
the sunrise again those are easy to pick

1561
01:09:37,410 --> 01:09:35,440
out of the body or beautiful reports now

1562
01:09:40,440 --> 01:09:37,420
the trouble is that some of the

1563
01:09:42,750 --> 01:09:40,450
starlight objects that are reported are

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01:09:45,810 --> 01:09:42,760
moving and they're not stationary and

1565
01:09:48,300 --> 01:09:45,820
some of these are certainly satellites

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01:09:50,790 --> 01:09:48,310
you can go log on to websites like

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heavens above and you can actually plot

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01:09:56,910 --> 01:09:54,580
it for your own area exactly bound here

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01:10:00,150 --> 01:09:56,920
a latitude longitude and you can

1570
01:10:01,620 --> 01:10:00,160
calculate how many times a night that

1571
01:10:03,270 --> 01:10:01,630
something's in the pass overhead and you

1572
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:03,280
can actually check and see that

1573
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:04,810
something's any passing overhead at

1574
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:08,560
precisely 1152 p.m. over your town or

1575
01:10:14,670 --> 01:10:11,730
city you can walk out and you can see it

1576
01:10:17,070 --> 01:10:14,680
there's also Chris FlightAware there's

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an iPhone app now you can point your

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iPhone at any place in the sky and it

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will instantly give you a readout of all

1580
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transplanted Monday and accredited air

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01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:28,480
traffic you can use so there are ways of

1582
01:10:32,220 --> 01:10:30,400
figuring out exactly what's what's going

1583
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:32,230
on up there so some are satellites

1584
01:10:37,380 --> 01:10:34,210
sometimes when we get these reports

1585
01:10:39,870 --> 01:10:37,390
where there's five to ten objects moving

1586
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:39,880
together in clusters so those are a

1587
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:42,130
little trickier and I have to tell you

1588
01:10:45,900 --> 01:10:44,410
I'm baffled by some of those especially

1589
01:10:47,850 --> 01:10:45,910
where they're all flying together in the

1590
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:47,860
same direction and then resume takeoff

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01:10:53,190 --> 01:10:50,410
and in five or six different directions

1592
01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:53,200
those are very very curious and I think

1593
01:10:57,060 --> 01:10:54,490
we have to deal with those separately

1594
01:10:59,580 --> 01:10:57,070
but the simple ones moving by themselves

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01:11:01,710 --> 01:10:59,590
or as many as three moving together are

1596
01:11:04,290 --> 01:11:01,720
often satellites there's a category of

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satellites called nos nos s which are

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01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:06,280
basically used for triangulation where

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various governments will send these up

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and because we have three different

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vantage points they can pinpoint exactly

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the movement of objects on the ground so

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they are when

1604
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:20,560
see triangular or formation of star-like

1605
01:11:24,210 --> 01:11:22,810
objects in the sky that doesn't

1606
01:11:26,580 --> 01:11:24,220
necessarily mean it's a triangular

1607
01:11:28,290 --> 01:11:26,590
object it means in some cases that it's

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01:11:30,180 --> 01:11:28,300
a triangular formation of satellites

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01:11:31,470 --> 01:11:30,190
high in the sky that are being used for

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01:11:35,460 --> 01:11:31,480
military purposes

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01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:35,470
now beyond those there everything from

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01:11:40,590 --> 01:11:38,410
Northern Lights to to standard aircraft

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01:11:43,710 --> 01:11:40,600
that are passing overhead helicopters

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01:11:46,980 --> 01:11:43,720
we've had cases of casinos and other

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01:11:49,260 --> 01:11:46,990
areas that have spotlights wine or the

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01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:49,270
shining on the underside of clouds and

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01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:51,370
they tend to whiz around one another and

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01:11:56,970 --> 01:11:55,210
then zip away again we've had everything

1619
01:12:00,030 --> 01:11:56,980
you can possibly imagine has been

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01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:00,040
identified or misidentified as a UFO and

1621
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:02,050
these categories are very interesting to

1622
01:12:07,230 --> 01:12:04,930
go through and yet with all these cases

1623
01:12:10,110 --> 01:12:07,240
that we have that have you know various

1624
01:12:12,770 --> 01:12:10,120
explanations we tend to be left with

1625
01:12:15,060 --> 01:12:12,780
small percentage and you mentioned 10%

1626
01:12:16,710 --> 01:12:15,070
depending on how many passes you go

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01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:16,720
through and how many how rigorous leave

1628
01:12:22,050 --> 01:12:19,450
the data is collected it's somewhere

1629
01:12:25,140 --> 01:12:22,060
between one two three or four or five

1630
01:12:27,060 --> 01:12:25,150
percent that we're left with in terms of

1631
01:12:29,190 --> 01:12:27,070
what we could call a high quality

1632
01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:29,200
unknowns every year and these high

1633
01:12:34,440 --> 01:12:31,600
quality unknowns are cases where we have

1634
01:12:37,650 --> 01:12:34,450
ruled out satellites and stars and

1635
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:37,660
planets and balloons and spotlights and

1636
01:12:41,910 --> 01:12:39,970
everything and in these lanterns and

1637
01:12:43,350 --> 01:12:41,920
Chinese land well that's that's we've

1638
01:12:45,480 --> 01:12:43,360
had a lot of those last year that's for

1639
01:12:47,850 --> 01:12:45,490
sure but we've ruled out a lot of things

1640
01:12:51,180 --> 01:12:47,860
and the witnesses with crop cooperative

1641
01:12:52,410 --> 01:12:51,190
and they see me very coherent and there

1642
01:12:55,410 --> 01:12:52,420
perhaps there were more than one witness

1643
01:12:58,920 --> 01:12:55,420
and a man in a video helps to video

1644
01:13:01,080 --> 01:12:58,930
helps so we have all these cases and yet

1645
01:13:03,260 --> 01:13:01,090
we have no explanation now that doesn't

1646
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:03,270
mean that these cases are automatically

1647
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:06,130
spacecraft but it does mean that there's

1648
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:07,930
a real phenomenon there that somebody

1649
01:13:12,510 --> 01:13:10,090
witness that we can't explain now you

1650
01:13:15,150 --> 01:13:12,520
know one to two or three percent doesn't

1651
01:13:17,670 --> 01:13:15,160
sound like a lot but when you look at

1652
01:13:20,460 --> 01:13:17,680
the raw numbers for example in Canada

1653
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:20,470
we're hovering around a thousand cases

1654
01:13:26,730 --> 01:13:24,130
for 2011 again you know where you're

1655
01:13:29,580 --> 01:13:26,740
looking at a significant number of

1656
01:13:31,229 --> 01:13:29,590
reports and when you look over 20 years

1657
01:13:33,779 --> 01:13:31,239
30 years and then

1658
01:13:37,259 --> 01:13:33,789
Canada were almost approaching 25 years

1659
01:13:39,390 --> 01:13:37,269
of Canadian UFO survey you're talking

1660
01:13:41,399 --> 01:13:39,400
about dozens and dozens and into the

1661
01:13:43,709 --> 01:13:41,409
hundreds of cases that can't be

1662
01:13:45,810 --> 01:13:43,719
explained that have resisted

1663
01:13:47,939 --> 01:13:45,820
explanations all these years that

1664
01:13:49,950 --> 01:13:47,949
suggests that something real is being

1665
01:13:52,169 --> 01:13:49,960
observed and the phenomenon simply can't

1666
01:13:54,180 --> 01:13:52,179
be dismissed very easily we will talk

1667
01:13:57,689 --> 01:13:54,190
about Sag Harbor which i think is one of

1668
01:14:00,959 --> 01:13:57,699
our finest cases and one that you cut

1669
01:14:03,330 --> 01:14:00,969
your teeth on yes one of the classics

1670
01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:03,340
during that big wave of 1967 when

1671
01:14:07,589 --> 01:14:05,440
everything and everything seemed to be

1672
01:14:09,509 --> 01:14:07,599
happening in Canada before we get to

1673
01:14:12,810 --> 01:14:09,519
that the one thing I always talk about

1674
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:12,820
in terms of UFOs is the publicity flap

1675
01:14:17,580 --> 01:14:16,090
which is that you get a UFO report in

1676
01:14:19,109 --> 01:14:17,590
the newspaper or people in the

1677
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:19,119
neighborhood start talking about if they

1678
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:21,010
start looking upward as soon as they

1679
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:22,449
look upward of course they see more

1680
01:14:26,549 --> 01:14:24,400
things and then you get more cases and

1681
01:14:27,870 --> 01:14:26,559
maybe it is that UFOs are always there

1682
01:14:29,939 --> 01:14:27,880
and we just have to be looking in the

1683
01:14:32,549 --> 01:14:29,949
right place at the right time but if

1684
01:14:34,890 --> 01:14:32,559
there is that publicity you will get

1685
01:14:39,419 --> 01:14:34,900
more cases so you said a thousand cases

1686
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:39,429
or whatever in 2011 also MUFON reported

1687
01:14:43,290 --> 01:14:41,530
a lot of cases right a lot of our data

1688
01:14:45,239 --> 01:14:43,300
comes from MUFON and it comes from all

1689
01:14:47,759 --> 01:14:45,249
other different sources we didn't see

1690
01:14:49,319 --> 01:14:47,769
the big spike that we found reported and

1691
01:14:50,279 --> 01:14:49,329
I think that's largely because of the

1692
01:14:51,540 --> 01:14:50,289
way they've been doing they're

1693
01:14:53,970 --> 01:14:51,550
collecting these days because they

1694
01:14:55,830 --> 01:14:53,980
didn't have their database women's

1695
01:14:58,770 --> 01:14:55,840
rigorous and put together in the past

1696
01:15:02,129 --> 01:14:58,780
couple of years but we do see in Canada

1697
01:15:04,290 --> 01:15:02,139
a consistently high level of UFO reports

1698
01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:04,300
that's going on regardless of whether

1699
01:15:08,339 --> 01:15:06,249
there is media publicity or not in fact

1700
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:08,349
what happens and every talking with Alan

1701
01:15:12,779 --> 01:15:10,090
Hynek about this when he was still alive

1702
01:15:15,540 --> 01:15:12,789
that it's not necessarily the media

1703
01:15:17,790 --> 01:15:15,550
attention and movies and TV will give

1704
01:15:19,799 --> 01:15:17,800
rise to UFO reports that are occurring

1705
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:19,809
they will often make people more

1706
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:23,050
confident and reassure them that it's

1707
01:15:26,970 --> 01:15:24,730
alright to talk about experiences

1708
01:15:28,919 --> 01:15:26,980
they've had and gentlemen will be

1709
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:28,929
alright to talk about this we have Chris

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Rock Kowski with gene and Chris you're

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eight seven seven three two seven zero

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three six five that's what it sounds

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like when a burglar kicks in the door of

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a dark house that looks like no one is

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home

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watching television with fake TV fake TV

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is a small electronic device that makes

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01:18:08,910 --> 01:18:07,389
the same light as a real television so

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01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:08,920
from outside it looks like someone is

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01:18:12,689 --> 01:18:11,530
home watching TV fake TV plugs in just

1772
01:18:14,370 --> 01:18:12,699
like a lamp on a timer

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but as far more convincing to burglars

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fake TV deters burglars cost far less

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than an alarm and is highly recommended

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by numerous police departments use it

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anytime you're away from home to order

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your fake TV for only thirty four

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ninety-five go to fake tv.com or call

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one eight seven seven five fake TV each

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additional fake TV is only twenty nine

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ninety five so get one for you and one

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for a loved one for safety security and

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seven seven five F a ke

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the burglar deterrent hi folks Jason

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Lewis here did you know USA Today

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reports that nearly 20% of parents plan

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to take a second job to pay bills and

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applaud responsibility but I have a far

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better idea a way for you to stay home

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or get ahead financially I recommend

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Burroughs one of the witnesses to the

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01:19:58,470 --> 01:19:55,930
Rendlesham UFO incident you're listening

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01:20:06,750 --> 01:19:58,480
to the podcast the gold standard of a

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01:20:12,730 --> 01:20:09,990
with chris Rutkowski it is now

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comfortable you can feel comforted in

1819
01:20:17,770 --> 01:20:14,990
talking about UFO cases but I see the

1820
01:20:20,170 --> 01:20:17,780
point there that if you see a UFO

1821
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:20,180
sighting or you see a movie about

1822
01:20:25,870 --> 01:20:24,050
something related to space people do you

1823
01:20:28,810 --> 01:20:25,880
feel comforted that maybe the experience

1824
01:20:31,390 --> 01:20:28,820
you had was not so strange

1825
01:20:33,820 --> 01:20:31,400
another point to which some people who

1826
01:20:37,870 --> 01:20:33,830
are involved in the more paranormal

1827
01:20:41,470 --> 01:20:37,880
aspects of the question say is that

1828
01:20:43,750 --> 01:20:41,480
there may be other things going on with

1829
01:20:46,210 --> 01:20:43,760
people who see UFOs maybe they have

1830
01:20:49,510 --> 01:20:46,220
poltergeist phenomena stuff like that

1831
01:20:51,850 --> 01:20:49,520
other types of events but the UFO is

1832
01:20:53,740 --> 01:20:51,860
like the door opener was they feel

1833
01:20:56,620 --> 01:20:53,750
comfortable with you talking about the

1834
01:20:58,690 --> 01:20:56,630
UFO case there are other things that

1835
01:21:01,630 --> 01:20:58,700
will come forth are you seeing that in

1836
01:21:05,260 --> 01:21:01,640
your research I have seen that and I

1837
01:21:08,260 --> 01:21:05,270
thought very early in my my research and

1838
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:08,270
investigations in fact back in the 1970s

1839
01:21:13,450 --> 01:21:11,690
I had gone on a number of digs we don't

1840
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:13,460
hear the term use very much anymore but

1841
01:21:16,390 --> 01:21:15,050
it's more like an archeological dig

1842
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:16,400
where you go to an area where there

1843
01:21:22,780 --> 01:21:19,730
hasn't been any UFO reports and just you

1844
01:21:26,430 --> 01:21:22,790
just begin talking with people about any

1845
01:21:28,870 --> 01:21:26,440
odd experiences they might have had and

1846
01:21:31,060 --> 01:21:28,880
had gone to an area where there had been

1847
01:21:33,220 --> 01:21:31,070
some beautiful cases just on the

1848
01:21:34,810 --> 01:21:33,230
periphery but nothing in this particular

1849
01:21:36,190 --> 01:21:34,820
one County we usually don't call them

1850
01:21:38,440 --> 01:21:36,200
counties here in Canada but that would

1851
01:21:40,510 --> 01:21:38,450
be the equivalent had dropped in at the

1852
01:21:43,060 --> 01:21:40,520
gas station and had dropped in at the

1853
01:21:45,190 --> 01:21:43,070
Country Store and so forth somebody said

1854
01:21:47,140 --> 01:21:45,200
well you should talk to this fellow

1855
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:47,150
named Phil just down the road so I meant

1856
01:21:51,790 --> 01:21:49,040
to talk to when to talk to Phil and I

1857
01:21:54,850 --> 01:21:51,800
said have you seen any UFOs anything

1858
01:21:57,250 --> 01:21:54,860
strange flying in the sky and Phil was

1859
01:21:58,780 --> 01:21:57,260
very puzzled and he was adamant no I

1860
01:22:01,060 --> 01:21:58,790
ain't seen any of that sort of stuff

1861
01:22:03,250 --> 01:22:01,070
because you know that's all nonsense and

1862
01:22:04,780 --> 01:22:03,260
if you don't mind I'm very very busy I

1863
01:22:07,060 --> 01:22:04,790
have to get back to what I'm doing so I

1864
01:22:09,220 --> 01:22:07,070
said certainly absolutely at which time

1865
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:09,230
he pulled out his dowsing rods and

1866
01:22:17,110 --> 01:22:15,170
started looking for a well and I and I

1867
01:22:19,090 --> 01:22:17,120
talked to him about that and I said well

1868
01:22:19,669 --> 01:22:19,100
you know do you get these senses you can

1869
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:19,679
sense

1870
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:21,690
can you pick up the vibrations he says

1871
01:22:26,899 --> 01:22:24,570
oh yeah we you know the house down the

1872
01:22:28,850 --> 01:22:26,909
road you know they've had hauntings and

1873
01:22:30,740 --> 01:22:28,860
ghosts and all that sort of stuff going

1874
01:22:32,270 --> 01:22:30,750
on for years now but you didn't ask me

1875
01:22:34,340 --> 01:22:32,280
about that

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01:22:37,399 --> 01:22:34,350
and you know the most extreme case I

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remember this as well from the I think

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is perhaps the early 80s where number of

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01:22:47,330 --> 01:22:44,159
people had seen a UFO and actually had

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created a landing site there's some

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marks left in the ground and we looked

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at them and took measurements and

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samples and so forth the following

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01:23:00,439 --> 01:22:57,870
morning a fax Sasquatch Bigfoot was

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reported from about a hundred feet away

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01:23:05,090 --> 01:23:03,510
from that beautiful landing site now

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you're in the para cast country weather

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exactly one of those things nobody

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seemed to make it odd at all that the

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01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:13,500
two phenomena might be linked because

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it's just one of those things that

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happens to occur in this particular area

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of the country so yes I haven't seen

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that overlap in recent years of course

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the when you start talking about all of

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them in photographs for example you kind

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of have to talk with one foot into the

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psychic realm in one foot and the the

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01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:36,360
alien realm because people can't seem to

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decide whether orbs are one or the other

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01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:42,030
perhaps both well how about you Chris I

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01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:44,370
mean are we you're you're a professional

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01:23:50,110 --> 01:23:47,130
astronomer are we in an educator are we

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01:23:52,729 --> 01:23:50,120
experiencing visitations from a

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01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:52,739
extraterrestrial civilization or are we

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01:23:56,750 --> 01:23:54,330
dealing with something that's maybe more

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01:24:00,260 --> 01:23:56,760
complex it's more a closed system maybe

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01:24:03,740 --> 01:24:00,270
something that that you know our planet

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01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:03,750
somehow is is producing well you know I

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actually studied this quite thoroughly

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01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:08,360
because of the work of people like

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Michael Persinger and Paul Devereaux

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01:24:14,780 --> 01:24:13,050
regarding earth light tectonic strain

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luminosities and so forth in fact I

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01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:17,909
wrote one of my undergraduate theses was

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01:24:24,220 --> 01:24:21,330
on the tectonic strain theory of UFOs

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01:24:28,399 --> 01:24:24,230
which was proposed by Michael Persinger

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where he said that the very very faint

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strain underneath the ground to a depth

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01:24:36,379 --> 01:24:33,300
of several mile

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01:24:39,709 --> 01:24:36,389
in some cases tens of miles can make its

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01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:39,719
way to the surface the series of events

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01:24:46,129 --> 01:24:44,449
and it's like a piezoelectric phenomenon

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01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:46,139
piezoelectric and triboluminescence

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01:24:50,390 --> 01:24:48,210
there's a number of mechanisms that he

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01:24:52,609 --> 01:24:50,400
was suggesting and the lights jumped

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01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:52,619
into the air and can be seen as UFOs and

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01:24:57,470 --> 01:24:56,130
he correlated this in a number of papers

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01:25:01,040 --> 01:24:57,480
which were published in scientific

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01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:01,050
journals where he showed that minor

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01:25:06,979 --> 01:25:03,770
earthquakes in a particular area could

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01:25:11,450 --> 01:25:06,989
generate UFO reports or were somehow

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01:25:15,379 --> 01:25:11,460
related to UFO reports many hundreds of

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01:25:17,330 --> 01:25:15,389
miles away and I thought this was a bit

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01:25:19,700 --> 01:25:17,340
odd because he used in some cases the

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01:25:23,270 --> 01:25:19,710
data that we were publishing for

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01:25:25,310 --> 01:25:23,280
Canadian UFO reports and we know that

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01:25:27,859 --> 01:25:25,320
having just had the previous discussion

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01:25:29,930 --> 01:25:27,869
before the break that many of the cases

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01:25:32,990 --> 01:25:29,940
can be explained I thought it odd that

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01:25:34,879 --> 01:25:33,000
you can use the raw data of UFOs that

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01:25:39,530 --> 01:25:34,889
are actually explained to their airplane

1943
01:25:40,879 --> 01:25:39,540
satellites and planets to show that

1944
01:25:43,030 --> 01:25:40,889
there's a correlation between those

1945
01:25:45,799 --> 01:25:43,040
sightings and earthquakes that show

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01:25:48,109 --> 01:25:45,809
there's some real real natural

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01:25:50,030 --> 01:25:48,119
phenomenon going on so I actually ended

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01:25:53,510 --> 01:25:50,040
up studying the phenomenon in quite

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01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:53,520
detail and as I mentioned produced my

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01:25:58,790 --> 01:25:55,530
own undergraduate thesis for one of my

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01:26:01,310 --> 01:25:58,800
courses at university on this and I I

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01:26:04,339 --> 01:26:01,320
quibble with it now III come up with the

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01:26:06,790 --> 01:26:04,349
mechanism I don't doubt that this can

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01:26:10,430 --> 01:26:06,800
actually explain some uniform reports

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01:26:12,859 --> 01:26:10,440
but earthquake lights and tectonic

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01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:12,869
stream lights are quite different you

1957
01:26:15,919 --> 01:26:14,250
mentioned piezo electricity that's

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01:26:18,020 --> 01:26:15,929
certainly another aspect that we're

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01:26:21,129 --> 01:26:18,030
talking about them that's been used to

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01:26:24,260 --> 01:26:21,139
try and explain lights in places like

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01:26:26,180 --> 01:26:24,270
Marfa Texas and Brown mountain and

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01:26:28,580 --> 01:26:26,190
places like that I know Ted Phillips

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01:26:30,410 --> 01:26:28,590
who's been seriously looking at this and

1964
01:26:31,790 --> 01:26:30,420
some of the places in Missouri that he's

1965
01:26:33,229 --> 01:26:31,800
been looking at because the lights are

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01:26:37,250 --> 01:26:33,239
seem to dance around and do their own

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01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:37,260
thing it's very possible that there is

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01:26:40,310 --> 01:26:39,090
some earth energy that's that's doing

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01:26:42,649 --> 01:26:40,320
this and Paul Devereaux of course

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01:26:44,310 --> 01:26:42,659
carried this to an extreme with the ley

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01:26:47,100 --> 01:26:44,320
lines and

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01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:47,110
and Dragon Lines and so forth in England

1973
01:26:53,310 --> 01:26:49,810
and other parts of Europe I don't doubt

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01:26:55,980 --> 01:26:53,320
that in some cases these energies from

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01:26:58,680 --> 01:26:55,990
inside the earth can give rise to UFO

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01:27:01,410 --> 01:26:58,690
reports although when you look at the

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01:27:03,870 --> 01:27:01,420
data many of the cases that you're using

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01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:03,880
this data in trying to correlate this

1979
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:06,850
are reports where we know that there

1980
01:27:10,650 --> 01:27:08,770
were aircraft or bow lines or whatnot

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01:27:13,670 --> 01:27:10,660
flying or being observed in the same

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01:27:16,740 --> 01:27:13,680
area so it's very very difficult to

1983
01:27:19,350 --> 01:27:16,750
correlate this one on one and I've seen

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01:27:22,260 --> 01:27:19,360
some sort of causality at the same time

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01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:22,270
we know they're there UFO reports we

1986
01:27:27,270 --> 01:27:24,610
know there's possible energy creation so

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01:27:29,070 --> 01:27:27,280
I'm again I'm open to the possibility I

1988
01:27:31,290 --> 01:27:29,080
just don't think that we can embrace it

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01:27:33,300 --> 01:27:31,300
wholeheartedly at this time let me ask

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01:27:35,580 --> 01:27:33,310
you quickly just to kind of segue to

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01:27:37,980 --> 01:27:35,590
something because would like to get into

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01:27:41,190 --> 01:27:37,990
the shag harbour case before we let you

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01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:41,200
go and that is over the past few weeks

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01:27:47,310 --> 01:27:43,290
people have been reporting strange

1995
01:27:51,780 --> 01:27:47,320
sounds strange noises in the sky what

1996
01:27:53,370 --> 01:27:51,790
are they hearing well in its way this

1997
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:53,380
could be one of the worst things ever

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01:28:00,750 --> 01:27:56,610
happened to you follow gee because

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01:28:02,790 --> 01:28:00,760
things can't get worse sometimes well

2000
01:28:06,450 --> 01:28:02,800
this is an indication that perhaps they

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01:28:07,980 --> 01:28:06,460
are that the sounds of being heard all

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01:28:10,140 --> 01:28:07,990
around the world and they're almost

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01:28:12,690 --> 01:28:10,150
automatically assumed by a lot of people

2004
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:12,700
as something to do with UFOs or that the

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01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:14,650
aliens have something to do with it in

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01:28:19,770 --> 01:28:17,530
fact if you look at blogs and Facebook

2007
01:28:21,990 --> 01:28:19,780
posts by people that the connection is

2008
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:22,000
automatically there it's kind of funny

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01:28:31,890 --> 01:28:25,930
how that works yeah and yet

2010
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:31,900
the recordings on youtube some are audio

2011
01:28:37,100 --> 01:28:34,210
recording the people have posted there

2012
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they're different in a lot of ways and

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01:28:41,490 --> 01:28:39,190
they recorded under different

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circumstances by different recording

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devices not all cellphones are perfect

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01:28:48,420 --> 01:28:46,300
and some people have audio recording on

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their cameras and video recorders and

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01:28:52,950 --> 01:28:50,440
some people actually using microphones

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in the field and so they're all recorded

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in different ways so number one I'd say

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01:29:00,869 --> 01:28:57,879
there's no one explanation for all the

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01:29:03,239 --> 01:29:00,879
odd noises that people are recording and

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01:29:05,179 --> 01:29:03,249
playing for each other it is a

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collective delusion like pitted

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windshields in Seattle and Vancouver are

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we actually seeing something well I

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don't think I don't think it's a

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necessarily collective delusion there

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have been some cases I know there's a

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case in Windsor in Detroit fairly

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recently where they managed to

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triangulate the sounds to a military

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two about the para cast which I believe

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01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:01,510
is the gold standard of paranormal radio

2146
01:34:13,350 --> 01:34:11,050
listen to it if you can this is the show

2147
01:34:15,569 --> 01:34:13,360
with Chris and Chris Rock Kowski and

2148
01:34:17,700 --> 01:34:15,579
O'Brien with gene Steinberg sometimes

2149
01:34:19,529 --> 01:34:17,710
you're confusing me when you say well

2150
01:34:20,939 --> 01:34:19,539
Chris said and I'm like that's right I'm

2151
01:34:22,620 --> 01:34:20,949
doing that deliberately you seem I

2152
01:34:25,220 --> 01:34:22,630
intentionally have a situation where we

2153
01:34:29,250 --> 01:34:25,230
have the name conflict is to either

2154
01:34:32,669 --> 01:34:29,260
maybe call our Chris Christopher or call

2155
01:34:35,129 --> 01:34:32,679
Hugo trickster person don't go there

2156
01:34:36,540 --> 01:34:35,139
everybody will Dawg you know what

2157
01:34:38,759 --> 01:34:36,550
happened gene actually now that you

2158
01:34:42,419 --> 01:34:38,769
mention it I have been in so many bands

2159
01:34:45,629 --> 01:34:42,429
with another Chris so I adopted my my

2160
01:34:46,319 --> 01:34:45,639
original christened name which is KK

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01:34:49,109 --> 01:34:46,329
Barnes

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01:34:49,770 --> 01:34:49,119
Kim keegan barn so we can just call me

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01:34:52,109 --> 01:34:49,780
KK

2164
01:34:53,189 --> 01:34:52,119
okay it's a deal I can also be called

2165
01:34:54,989 --> 01:34:53,199
the old guy too

2166
01:34:58,470 --> 01:34:54,999
I don't think you can even get close to

2167
01:35:02,430 --> 01:34:58,480
gene no the only person on the planet

2168
01:35:03,839 --> 01:35:02,440
who's older than I am is Jim Mosely dan

2169
01:35:06,509 --> 01:35:03,849
Friedman doesn't hold a candle to you

2170
01:35:10,229 --> 01:35:06,519
for that either huh Wow let's just say

2171
01:35:12,419 --> 01:35:10,239
he's somewhere in the middle that's

2172
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:12,429
where it counts okay so some of these

2173
01:35:17,069 --> 01:35:14,650
sounds were traced to a military base in

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01:35:19,350 --> 01:35:17,079
Detroit just so good Detroit's it sounds

2175
01:35:21,209 --> 01:35:19,360
right okay and it seems there's some

2176
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:21,219
some activity there and I suspect that

2177
01:35:25,950 --> 01:35:23,130
in other areas around the country

2178
01:35:29,009 --> 01:35:25,960
there's a few things like that because a

2179
01:35:31,950 --> 01:35:29,019
lot of people live within let's say 10

2180
01:35:33,870 --> 01:35:31,960
miles of an interstate within 10 miles

2181
01:35:36,090 --> 01:35:33,880
of a shipping

2182
01:35:38,189 --> 01:35:36,100
so there's a lot of things that that

2183
01:35:39,479 --> 01:35:38,199
could be causing rumbling sounds and the

2184
01:35:41,399 --> 01:35:39,489
rumbling sounds themselves are a

2185
01:35:42,660 --> 01:35:41,409
different timbre and different quality

2186
01:35:44,939 --> 01:35:42,670
I've listened to a whole bunch on

2187
01:35:45,959 --> 01:35:44,949
YouTube recently and they all seem to be

2188
01:35:47,550 --> 01:35:45,969
different now that may be a

2189
01:35:49,169 --> 01:35:47,560
characteristic of the quality and

2190
01:35:51,300 --> 01:35:49,179
YouTube of the cameras and the cell

2191
01:35:53,430 --> 01:35:51,310
phone but they all seem to be different

2192
01:35:55,350 --> 01:35:53,440
there's some metallic sounds that people

2193
01:35:58,439 --> 01:35:55,360
are hearing there's even some that have

2194
01:36:01,439 --> 01:35:58,449
been described as chirping if they're

2195
01:36:03,450 --> 01:36:01,449
all different so I am ffice eyes I don't

2196
01:36:05,370 --> 01:36:03,460
think there's one explanation for

2197
01:36:07,770 --> 01:36:05,380
everything that is probably a series of

2198
01:36:09,870 --> 01:36:07,780
explanations and I would use the analogy

2199
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:09,880
and UFOs that there's probably

2200
01:36:14,939 --> 01:36:12,010
explanations or possible explanations

2201
01:36:18,149 --> 01:36:14,949
for a large percentage and there may be

2202
01:36:21,750 --> 01:36:18,159
a remnant of three four or five percent

2203
01:36:23,879 --> 01:36:21,760
of all the claimed mysterious sounds

2204
01:36:26,189 --> 01:36:23,889
that don't fall into some easy

2205
01:36:29,250 --> 01:36:26,199
categories but I don't think they have

2206
01:36:30,810 --> 01:36:29,260
much to do with the aliens I suspect it

2207
01:36:33,870 --> 01:36:30,820
as something to do with military

2208
01:36:35,970 --> 01:36:33,880
operations or natural sounds I mean it's

2209
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:35,980
not our new phenomenon either we can go

2210
01:36:39,740 --> 01:36:37,449
back and listen to things like the

2211
01:36:43,890 --> 01:36:39,750
parietal gun what if we still get those

2212
01:36:46,140 --> 01:36:43,900
cows on the coconut Kokomo mom exactly

2213
01:36:48,570 --> 01:36:46,150
Kokomo hum mysterious hubs have been

2214
01:36:51,149 --> 01:36:48,580
going on and being a quoted for for

2215
01:36:53,970 --> 01:36:51,159
decades so this is not new I think what

2216
01:36:56,820 --> 01:36:53,980
is new is that people have an easier

2217
01:36:59,129 --> 01:36:56,830
time of recording these things now in

2218
01:37:01,919 --> 01:36:59,139
fact there was a study on trig on a

2219
01:37:03,270 --> 01:37:01,929
study but a survey on reddit how many of

2220
01:37:05,820 --> 01:37:03,280
your listeners are also on reddit or

2221
01:37:08,310 --> 01:37:05,830
editors but somebody spent some time

2222
01:37:11,399 --> 01:37:08,320
looking through all the identities of

2223
01:37:13,860 --> 01:37:11,409
the posters for posting videos and other

2224
01:37:15,780 --> 01:37:13,870
recordings of the hums and the rumblings

2225
01:37:17,490 --> 01:37:15,790
and so forth and they found some

2226
01:37:19,910 --> 01:37:17,500
consistencies inand that a lot of them

2227
01:37:22,020 --> 01:37:19,920
were conspiracy theorists so

2228
01:37:24,060 --> 01:37:22,030
automatically there's some suspicion

2229
01:37:26,120 --> 01:37:24,070
that somebody's posting things that they

2230
01:37:28,050 --> 01:37:26,130
Ottoman that they think are mysterious

2231
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:28,060
themselves about being particularly

2232
01:37:32,550 --> 01:37:30,850
objective about it so maybe there's

2233
01:37:34,590 --> 01:37:32,560
something to the sounds and maybe not

2234
01:37:36,270 --> 01:37:34,600
but I don't think we have enough

2235
01:37:39,419 --> 01:37:36,280
evidence to automatically assume that

2236
01:37:41,370 --> 01:37:39,429
they're all alien or all volcanic

2237
01:37:43,169 --> 01:37:41,380
rumblings are all government

2238
01:37:45,660 --> 01:37:43,179
conspiracies and certainly not all of

2239
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:45,670
them are going to be due to HAARP maybe

2240
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:47,170
we haven't switched it on yet this year

2241
01:37:51,490 --> 01:37:48,010
and whatever

2242
01:37:52,330 --> 01:37:51,500
or it's the sound of the approaching end

2243
01:37:55,900 --> 01:37:52,340
of the world

2244
01:37:57,460 --> 01:37:55,910
we're getting there what's 2012 but have

2245
01:38:00,670 --> 01:37:57,470
you seen this year other than the

2246
01:38:02,530 --> 01:38:00,680
strange sounds any increases in the

2247
01:38:04,300 --> 01:38:02,540
number of sightings when you go do your

2248
01:38:06,130 --> 01:38:04,310
blog as a whole bunch of sightings in

2249
01:38:09,580 --> 01:38:06,140
Canada for the first few weeks of the

2250
01:38:11,260 --> 01:38:09,590
year that is puzzling the fact that we

2251
01:38:14,230 --> 01:38:11,270
had so many at the beginning of the year

2252
01:38:17,590 --> 01:38:14,240
we normally get a small percentage

2253
01:38:19,870 --> 01:38:17,600
compared to the bulk of the year in in

2254
01:38:22,030 --> 01:38:19,880
the first month of every year I mean

2255
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:22,040
January tends to be slow most UFO

2256
01:38:30,780 --> 01:38:26,650
reports come from July we normally get

2257
01:38:33,340 --> 01:38:30,790
normally we get reports of the order of

2258
01:38:36,220 --> 01:38:33,350
you know July August tend to be the

2259
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:36,230
highest number of reports and January is

2260
01:38:43,750 --> 01:38:40,610
very very low but in 2012 we had a very

2261
01:38:46,540 --> 01:38:43,760
big bump I think we're looking at

2262
01:38:52,300 --> 01:38:46,550
something like 50 years 60 or 70 reports

2263
01:38:53,980 --> 01:38:52,310
for Canada for January alone and you

2264
01:38:55,900 --> 01:38:53,990
know the other areas of the United

2265
01:38:59,770 --> 01:38:55,910
States have also had very very

2266
01:39:02,020 --> 01:38:59,780
significant report numbers so there

2267
01:39:04,090 --> 01:39:02,030
there seems to be a very big bump we

2268
01:39:05,830 --> 01:39:04,100
know that many of the cases we've

2269
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:05,840
actually been able to establish this you

2270
01:39:10,900 --> 01:39:09,050
mentioned Chinese lanterns that's worth

2271
01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:10,910
bidding beginning of the show we know

2272
01:39:14,680 --> 01:39:12,650
that a lot of the cases and the first

2273
01:39:16,780 --> 01:39:14,690
few days of January and again there's

2274
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:16,790
dozens of them we're due to people

2275
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:19,250
setting off Chinese lanterns and and

2276
01:39:23,710 --> 01:39:20,810
watching them go as part of the

2277
01:39:25,210 --> 01:39:23,720
celebration so we suspect that many of

2278
01:39:27,370 --> 01:39:25,220
them are those but at the same time

2279
01:39:29,950 --> 01:39:27,380
there are some reports that don't sound

2280
01:39:31,480 --> 01:39:29,960
at all like Chinese lanterns so we're

2281
01:39:34,540 --> 01:39:31,490
not sure what's going on but we

2282
01:39:36,450 --> 01:39:34,550
certainly started 2012 off with a real

2283
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:36,460
bang in terms of numbers of UFO reports

2284
01:39:40,750 --> 01:39:38,330
across North America

2285
01:39:43,540 --> 01:39:40,760
I know MUFON for mentioning it in the

2286
01:39:45,490 --> 01:39:43,550
last issue of their Journal I'll tell

2287
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:45,500
you what though we know about the big

2288
01:39:49,270 --> 01:39:47,690
sightings you know in the past and

2289
01:39:51,370 --> 01:39:49,280
whether would any of these sightings

2290
01:39:53,860 --> 01:39:51,380
would be a significant remains to be

2291
01:39:56,980 --> 01:39:53,870
seen but let's go to as what Chris

2292
01:40:01,520 --> 01:39:56,990
O'Brien or rkk or whatever he wants to

2293
01:40:06,859 --> 01:40:04,729
how's that cake Egon Barnes whenever I

2294
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:06,869
call Romanian you can call them KK but

2295
01:40:12,729 --> 01:40:09,570
you don't have to call them KKK that

2296
01:40:15,439 --> 01:40:12,739
yeah please don't go the extra mile okay

2297
01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:15,449
so KK you're mentioned of course you cut

2298
01:40:19,939 --> 01:40:17,489
your teeth on shag Harper let's revisit

2299
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:19,949
shag Harbor for listeners who haven't

2300
01:40:25,430 --> 01:40:22,170
had the full story let's take a walk

2301
01:40:27,410 --> 01:40:25,440
through time it was Chris Styles another

2302
01:40:29,930 --> 01:40:27,420
Chris who really did all of the legwork

2303
01:40:33,709 --> 01:40:29,940
on the the shag harbour although it was

2304
01:40:36,260 --> 01:40:33,719
part of the big wave and flop in Canada

2305
01:40:40,850 --> 01:40:36,270
in 1967 where we saw in the Falcon Lake

2306
01:40:42,799 --> 01:40:40,860
case in 1967 Canada shag harbour in 1967

2307
01:40:46,129 --> 01:40:42,809
there the case in Charles with Manitoba

2308
01:40:49,189 --> 01:40:46,139
in 1967 it seemed that the 1950s were

2309
01:40:50,500 --> 01:40:49,199
very good for UFOs in Canada and shag

2310
01:40:55,399 --> 01:40:50,510
harbour is one of the classic cases

2311
01:40:58,779 --> 01:40:55,409
where a number of people had reported

2312
01:41:03,890 --> 01:40:58,789
seeing lights moving around on shore

2313
01:41:07,700 --> 01:41:03,900
just off the coast of Nova Scotia in in

2314
01:41:10,370 --> 01:41:07,710
Canada and they had seen a brilliant

2315
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:10,380
object seemed to fall out of the sky

2316
01:41:18,049 --> 01:41:14,610
onto the the water under the ocean not

2317
01:41:22,609 --> 01:41:18,059
too far away from shore and it was

2318
01:41:25,700 --> 01:41:22,619
reported to the RCMP and the RCMP were

2319
01:41:28,879 --> 01:41:25,710
were notified they enlisted the

2320
01:41:31,549 --> 01:41:28,889
assistance of a number of fishermen who

2321
01:41:33,939 --> 01:41:31,559
went out in boats and they could see a

2322
01:41:36,919 --> 01:41:33,949
light on the surface of the water that

2323
01:41:38,870 --> 01:41:36,929
extinguished shortly after they hadn't

2324
01:41:40,850 --> 01:41:38,880
started making their way towards it but

2325
01:41:45,910 --> 01:41:40,860
when they got to where this light had

2326
01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:45,920
been there was a glowing green scum or

2327
01:41:51,350 --> 01:41:49,440
disuse material floating on the surface

2328
01:41:53,930 --> 01:41:51,360
of the water and directly underneath the

2329
01:41:57,080 --> 01:41:53,940
surface of the water and they had

2330
01:41:59,390 --> 01:41:57,090
studied it for some time they they tried

2331
01:42:02,470 --> 01:41:59,400
to look around for debris but there was

2332
01:42:05,359 --> 01:42:02,480
nothing and eventually the glow

2333
01:42:08,330 --> 01:42:05,369
dissipated and that was that now there

2334
01:42:12,290 --> 01:42:08,340
were attempts to try and find what had

2335
01:42:14,299 --> 01:42:12,300
crashed into the ocean divers had come

2336
01:42:15,380 --> 01:42:14,309
in there are stories that the military

2337
01:42:18,380 --> 01:42:15,390
had been brought in

2338
01:42:21,230 --> 01:42:18,390
to go to the bottom of the bay and try

2339
01:42:24,260 --> 01:42:21,240
and find things and the story officially

2340
01:42:26,990 --> 01:42:24,270
was that nothing had been discovered now

2341
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:27,000
since then the number of documents had

2342
01:42:33,320 --> 01:42:30,090
been recovered through Freedom of

2343
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:33,330
Information Act here in Canada such is

2344
01:42:38,630 --> 01:42:35,930
called access to information and

2345
01:42:40,360 --> 01:42:38,640
crystals and Donna ledger and and other

2346
01:42:43,010 --> 01:42:40,370
individuals who work very hard on this

2347
01:42:45,380 --> 01:42:43,020
found evidence that there seemed to have

2348
01:42:47,540 --> 01:42:45,390
been some sort of cover-up that there

2349
01:42:50,930 --> 01:42:47,550
was military activity there are stories

2350
01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:50,940
of something being brought out from the

2351
01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:53,370
water loaded on to a flatbed trailer and

2352
01:42:58,820 --> 01:42:55,050
taken away which is exactly what you

2353
01:43:01,910 --> 01:42:58,830
might imagine might have occurred and

2354
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:01,920
yet the official story is that nothing

2355
01:43:06,500 --> 01:43:04,170
was recovered not that nothing happened

2356
01:43:09,500 --> 01:43:06,510
in fact this is what makes Canada's

2357
01:43:11,210 --> 01:43:09,510
Roswell different from Roswell in the

2358
01:43:13,250 --> 01:43:11,220
sense that we have documentation that

2359
01:43:15,890 --> 01:43:13,260
something really did happen the Royal

2360
01:43:18,740 --> 01:43:15,900
Canadian Mounted Police have their files

2361
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:18,750
the the Air Force has its files and they

2362
01:43:23,780 --> 01:43:20,970
all affirm that something actually

2363
01:43:25,610 --> 01:43:23,790
occurred but that's simply nothing had

2364
01:43:27,620 --> 01:43:25,620
been recovered from underneath the water

2365
01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:27,630
and that makes it very different from

2366
01:43:32,900 --> 01:43:31,170
Roswell because Roswell you can't we

2367
01:43:34,160 --> 01:43:32,910
simply don't have the government

2368
01:43:36,380 --> 01:43:34,170
admitting that anything happened

2369
01:43:38,590 --> 01:43:36,390
whatsoever do you think anything

2370
01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:38,600
happened in Roswell just parenthetically

2371
01:43:45,490 --> 01:43:41,330
yeah I do think something happened

2372
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:45,500
whether it was a aliens alien ship or a

2373
01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:48,690
military device that led astray

2374
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:51,570
tragically I'm not sure I as you may

2375
01:43:57,320 --> 01:43:54,570
have heard I'm part of a Kevin Randle

2376
01:44:00,110 --> 01:43:57,330
dream team it's been called well I'll

2377
01:44:02,390 --> 01:44:00,120
tell you what just to tell you that the

2378
01:44:04,640 --> 01:44:02,400
next episode of the power cast will

2379
01:44:07,310 --> 01:44:04,650
feature Kevin Randall who will tell us

2380
01:44:08,930 --> 01:44:07,320
about the dream team and we're also

2381
01:44:10,130 --> 01:44:08,940
going to help you mostly on that episode

2382
01:44:12,500 --> 01:44:10,140
ladies and gentlemen there's gonna be

2383
01:44:15,080 --> 01:44:12,510
some kind of show Chris rutkowski is

2384
01:44:18,260 --> 01:44:15,090
here now a member of the Roswell dream

2385
01:44:20,310 --> 01:44:18,270
team with Gene and kaykai you're in the

2386
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:20,320
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recognize the value of gold for your

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01:45:22,859 --> 01:45:20,530
retirement goal has outperformed paper

2411
01:45:24,359 --> 01:45:22,869
investments yet no word about IRAs if

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01:45:37,810 --> 01:45:24,369
you would like to have gold for your

2413
01:45:37,820 --> 01:45:43,810
[Music]

2414
01:45:51,850 --> 01:45:47,540
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2415
01:45:58,819 --> 01:45:51,860
standard of paranormal radio and now

2416
01:46:01,220 --> 01:45:58,829
here's Jane Steinberg I'm not gonna get

2417
01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:01,230
a custom for this cake a thing no I

2418
01:46:05,899 --> 01:46:03,570
don't think you know what but you see if

2419
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:05,909
I get mad at him I just hit him with

2420
01:46:11,109 --> 01:46:08,489
this hey KK enough of this stuff cake

2421
01:46:15,589 --> 01:46:11,119
cake we have cake a we have gene we hate

2422
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:15,599
that's my stage name dude hey dude okay

2423
01:46:20,989 --> 01:46:18,090
I had a stage name once but you don't

2424
01:46:23,180 --> 01:46:20,999
want to hear it okay so you're part of

2425
01:46:25,819 --> 01:46:23,190
before we go back to Shankar you're part

2426
01:46:29,689 --> 01:46:25,829
of the Roswell dream team how'd you get

2427
01:46:33,200 --> 01:46:29,699
sucked into that assignment you're sorry

2428
01:46:35,120 --> 01:46:33,210
to say no I was simply asked Kevin had

2429
01:46:37,310 --> 01:46:35,130
I've known Kevin for a number of years

2430
01:46:39,890 --> 01:46:37,320
and we've been corresponding on a number

2431
01:46:42,109 --> 01:46:39,900
of items they were looking for someone

2432
01:46:44,390 --> 01:46:42,119
who really was you know they're

2433
01:46:46,850 --> 01:46:44,400
knowledgeable about some of the work had

2434
01:46:48,890 --> 01:46:46,860
been done on the Roswell case

2435
01:46:50,479 --> 01:46:48,900
investigation but not someone who was

2436
01:46:52,359 --> 01:46:50,489
directly involved so that they could be

2437
01:46:56,259 --> 01:46:52,369
sort of independent and objective

2438
01:46:59,270 --> 01:46:56,269
Assessors of what what some of the

2439
01:47:02,060 --> 01:46:59,280
reinvestigations and rediscoveries can

2440
01:47:03,799 --> 01:47:02,070
can find I guess I have a reputation and

2441
01:47:06,979 --> 01:47:03,809
again we've said write it from the top

2442
01:47:09,169 --> 01:47:06,989
of the show I tend not to believe nor

2443
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:09,179
disbelieve in fact I often say I don't

2444
01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:10,530
think you should believe the believers

2445
01:47:14,930 --> 01:47:12,449
but I think you should be skeptical of

2446
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:14,940
skeptics and with that reputation I

2447
01:47:20,989 --> 01:47:18,690
guess I I have been sort of viewed as

2448
01:47:23,299 --> 01:47:20,999
the kind of no independent objective

2449
01:47:25,370 --> 01:47:23,309
Assessor if that's possible that's

2450
01:47:26,479 --> 01:47:25,380
possible also the reality check a

2451
01:47:28,700 --> 01:47:26,489
reality check

2452
01:47:30,620 --> 01:47:28,710
yeah let's step back a little bit and

2453
01:47:32,660 --> 01:47:30,630
take a look what are the points of

2454
01:47:34,580 --> 01:47:32,670
evidence that we really have are they

2455
01:47:37,009 --> 01:47:34,590
really valid are there really no other

2456
01:47:39,680 --> 01:47:37,019
explanations or is you know this

2457
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:39,690
particular avenue of false hope are

2458
01:47:44,060 --> 01:47:41,610
there red herrings involved what's

2459
01:47:46,189 --> 01:47:44,070
really going on in fact that was a

2460
01:47:47,209 --> 01:47:46,199
subtitle of my book on abductions what's

2461
01:47:48,799 --> 01:47:47,219
really going on

2462
01:47:51,259 --> 01:47:48,809
you know let's forget about the

2463
01:47:53,359 --> 01:47:51,269
subterfuge and the biasing let's take a

2464
01:47:54,770 --> 01:47:53,369
look at what's really going on and Chris

2465
01:47:57,230 --> 01:47:54,780
do you think you you're

2466
01:47:59,900 --> 01:47:57,240
gonna be able to I don't care how

2467
01:48:01,730 --> 01:47:59,910
blue-ribbon and August the panel is that

2468
01:48:04,160 --> 01:48:01,740
we examined Roswell do you think that's

2469
01:48:05,810 --> 01:48:04,170
ever a snowball's chance in hell that

2470
01:48:08,420 --> 01:48:05,820
we're gonna find out the definitive

2471
01:48:09,530 --> 01:48:08,430
answer to what happened at Roswell I

2472
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:09,540
don't know

2473
01:48:14,420 --> 01:48:12,090
I'm willing to look at evidence and to

2474
01:48:16,970 --> 01:48:14,430
try and assess what's really going on I

2475
01:48:19,730 --> 01:48:16,980
think there's probably some evidence

2476
01:48:21,140 --> 01:48:19,740
that remains to be uncovered in terms of

2477
01:48:25,250 --> 01:48:21,150
documenting some of the military

2478
01:48:27,350 --> 01:48:25,260
activity some sort of the procedural

2479
01:48:29,450 --> 01:48:27,360
evidence what was being said some

2480
01:48:33,290 --> 01:48:29,460
witnesses that may still be and all

2481
01:48:37,820 --> 01:48:33,300
certainly not the witnesses I think

2482
01:48:40,190 --> 01:48:37,830
we're gonna need a Ouija board or some

2483
01:48:41,930 --> 01:48:40,200
family memories perhaps some Diaries

2484
01:48:43,610 --> 01:48:41,940
some journals that type of thing and

2485
01:48:45,710 --> 01:48:43,620
certainly so the possibility that there

2486
01:48:48,610 --> 01:48:45,720
might be some documents although my view

2487
01:48:50,870 --> 01:48:48,620
on documents it tends to be pretty

2488
01:48:53,690 --> 01:48:50,880
skeptical and that I really don't think

2489
01:48:55,240 --> 01:48:53,700
that with the length of time that's

2490
01:48:57,350 --> 01:48:55,250
passed we're going to be finding any

2491
01:48:59,990 --> 01:48:57,360
particular documents that are going to

2492
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:00,000
be you know saying yes we definitely

2493
01:49:04,070 --> 01:49:01,650
have the sauce or anything like that but

2494
01:49:05,980 --> 01:49:04,080
it's I think it's possible that there

2495
01:49:08,450 --> 01:49:05,990
was a you know some sort of military

2496
01:49:10,520 --> 01:49:08,460
exercise going on no I don't think it

2497
01:49:16,070 --> 01:49:10,530
was the Wernher von Braun down the road

2498
01:49:18,680 --> 01:49:16,080
of white sands the Mogul balloons or the

2499
01:49:20,240 --> 01:49:18,690
dummies or whatever I suspect that there

2500
01:49:22,910 --> 01:49:20,250
was something going on I mean Operation

2501
01:49:25,070 --> 01:49:22,920
Paperclip was going on in that area and

2502
01:49:27,440 --> 01:49:25,080
that would be the project of Roger Minh

2503
01:49:29,900 --> 01:49:27,450
scientists to the United States from

2504
01:49:31,430 --> 01:49:29,910
working on the v2 rocket program so

2505
01:49:33,290 --> 01:49:31,440
there was some interesting stuff going

2506
01:49:35,140 --> 01:49:33,300
on at that time and there probably is

2507
01:49:38,290 --> 01:49:35,150
some documentation we haven't seen yet

2508
01:49:41,300 --> 01:49:38,300
regarding those types of exercises

2509
01:49:43,310 --> 01:49:41,310
remember that we you know the Charles a

2510
01:49:45,140 --> 01:49:43,320
Mantell case was never fully explained

2511
01:49:48,440 --> 01:49:45,150
until the u.s. maybe fest up that had

2512
01:49:50,030 --> 01:49:48,450
had a secret project going on so I think

2513
01:49:52,370 --> 01:49:50,040
there's a possibility there is evidence

2514
01:49:53,960 --> 01:49:52,380
to be uncovered yet but we have to be

2515
01:49:56,810 --> 01:49:53,970
very careful in assessing the evidence

2516
01:49:58,460 --> 01:49:56,820
and whether it's aliens or something

2517
01:50:00,140 --> 01:49:58,470
else I think we have to keep a

2518
01:50:01,640 --> 01:50:00,150
completely open mind and that's that's

2519
01:50:03,800 --> 01:50:01,650
the best way to do for science to

2520
01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:03,810
approach anything it's the only way it's

2521
01:50:07,770 --> 01:50:05,010
the only way you can approach you but

2522
01:50:12,760 --> 01:50:07,780
but Chris you want to make a bet

2523
01:50:15,460 --> 01:50:12,770
all that you what you might uncover or

2524
01:50:17,590 --> 01:50:15,470
questionable documents that's the only

2525
01:50:19,300 --> 01:50:17,600
real to me that's the only possible

2526
01:50:21,850 --> 01:50:19,310
thing that could come out of this in

2527
01:50:24,490 --> 01:50:21,860
terms of new information I mean that

2528
01:50:26,980 --> 01:50:24,500
poor mule has been flogged and every

2529
01:50:29,350 --> 01:50:26,990
which way but loose and I think a case

2530
01:50:32,230 --> 01:50:29,360
like shag harbour which I'm sure it was

2531
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:32,240
very impressive to you growing up as it

2532
01:50:38,110 --> 01:50:34,570
was I think a lot of Canadians it's a

2533
01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:38,120
speaking of good Canadian cases give us

2534
01:50:42,670 --> 01:50:40,610
your top three cases and tell us why you

2535
01:50:44,770 --> 01:50:42,680
think they're the the most compelling

2536
01:50:47,020 --> 01:50:44,780
Canadian cases okay

2537
01:50:49,030 --> 01:50:47,030
I think certainly shag is one of them

2538
01:50:51,850 --> 01:50:49,040
but I would actually place the Falcon

2539
01:50:54,550 --> 01:50:51,860
Lake case above that one this happened

2540
01:50:57,550 --> 01:50:54,560
also in 1967 where and amateur

2541
01:50:59,910 --> 01:50:57,560
prospectors was alone by himself in the

2542
01:51:02,230 --> 01:50:59,920
in the woods in an isolated area of

2543
01:51:04,060 --> 01:51:02,240
Manitoba near this is gas or any of the

2544
01:51:07,480 --> 01:51:04,070
Ontario border which is sort of straight

2545
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:07,490
up from Minnesota a flying saucer for

2546
01:51:11,230 --> 01:51:08,810
all intents and purposes a

2547
01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:11,240
hollywood-style saucer shaped object

2548
01:51:16,680 --> 01:51:13,850
landed on a rock outcropping not too far

2549
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:16,690
from him he approached it he drew some

2550
01:51:22,390 --> 01:51:20,570
diagrams an opening appeared he stuck

2551
01:51:25,090 --> 01:51:22,400
his head in he touched the side of it it

2552
01:51:28,060 --> 01:51:25,100
was hot it melted his gloves the opening

2553
01:51:30,850 --> 01:51:28,070
shut and a blast of hot gas that his

2554
01:51:34,240 --> 01:51:30,860
clothing on fire and pine needles and so

2555
01:51:36,790 --> 01:51:34,250
forth on fire and the thing took off he

2556
01:51:39,570 --> 01:51:36,800
was treated by doctors he went to the

2557
01:51:42,460 --> 01:51:39,580
Mayo Clinic for treatment Mayo Clinic

2558
01:51:45,100 --> 01:51:42,470
psychiatrist note the inclusion of a

2559
01:51:47,170 --> 01:51:45,110
psychiatrist in the UFO study decided

2560
01:51:48,760 --> 01:51:47,180
that this man does not make up things

2561
01:51:51,100 --> 01:51:48,770
his background was such that he was a

2562
01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:51,110
very solid individual there were marks

2563
01:51:54,340 --> 01:51:52,850
on the ground and the pine needles were

2564
01:51:56,500 --> 01:51:54,350
discovered it was investigated by the

2565
01:52:00,220 --> 01:51:56,510
United States Air Force and in fact it's

2566
01:52:02,710 --> 01:52:00,230
included as case number 22 in the Condon

2567
01:52:05,950 --> 01:52:02,720
report the conclusion in the Condon

2568
01:52:07,720 --> 01:52:05,960
report that it was unexplained that

2569
01:52:09,430 --> 01:52:07,730
there was no explanation for what had

2570
01:52:11,530 --> 01:52:09,440
occurred there was radiation that was

2571
01:52:15,100 --> 01:52:11,540
found at the site there was physical

2572
01:52:18,880 --> 01:52:15,110
evidence he was physically ill and we

2573
01:52:21,460 --> 01:52:18,890
have several hundred official documents

2574
01:52:26,620 --> 01:52:21,470
ranging from the United States Air Force

2575
01:52:28,540 --> 01:52:26,630
Canadian Air Force docks RCMP other

2576
01:52:30,370 --> 01:52:28,550
police other officials we have all the

2577
01:52:32,620 --> 01:52:30,380
documentation that this definitely

2578
01:52:35,860 --> 01:52:32,630
occurred and what's more this fellow

2579
01:52:37,330 --> 01:52:35,870
never spoke in terms of alien spaceships

2580
01:52:39,580 --> 01:52:37,340
he thought it was some sort of military

2581
01:52:41,560 --> 01:52:39,590
craft that he was burned by maybe an

2582
01:52:43,780 --> 01:52:41,570
early Apollo landing something or other

2583
01:52:47,200 --> 01:52:43,790
and interesting Chris that you mentioned

2584
01:52:50,020 --> 01:52:47,210
that the US Air Force was involved what

2585
01:52:52,990 --> 01:52:50,030
was their official capacity were now are

2586
01:52:55,750 --> 01:52:53,000
you talking about investigators attached

2587
01:52:58,870 --> 01:52:55,760
to the Condon report or did the US Air

2588
01:53:01,690 --> 01:52:58,880
Force actually assist in a Canadian case

2589
01:53:04,390 --> 01:53:01,700
like this this was a case investigation

2590
01:53:09,310 --> 01:53:04,400
so of course Bluebook being an

2591
01:53:11,710 --> 01:53:09,320
international gathering group the way

2592
01:53:14,770 --> 01:53:11,720
the project was designed it routinely

2593
01:53:18,040 --> 01:53:14,780
included Canadian case inspectors many

2594
01:53:20,710 --> 01:53:18,050
many Canadian cases in Bluebook so they

2595
01:53:26,670 --> 01:53:20,720
they came up to investigate themselves

2596
01:53:30,130 --> 01:53:26,680
so it was a quite a quite a remarkable

2597
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:30,140
case investigation that that still has

2598
01:53:33,970 --> 01:53:31,850
people scratching their heads to this

2599
01:53:36,850 --> 01:53:33,980
day now here's the those are just two of

2600
01:53:38,410 --> 01:53:36,860
the cases and if I was to pick third

2601
01:53:42,210 --> 01:53:38,420
what I might include a case called

2602
01:53:45,670 --> 01:53:42,220
Langan burg which is in Saskatchewan I

2603
01:53:50,770 --> 01:53:45,680
happened in 1974 Wolfe a farmer named

2604
01:53:52,630 --> 01:53:50,780
Edwin fear was on a tractor and as he

2605
01:53:54,610 --> 01:53:52,640
was going through some tall grass on top

2606
01:53:57,070 --> 01:53:54,620
of the tractor he thought what he he saw

2607
01:54:00,100 --> 01:53:57,080
what he thought was a number of duck

2608
01:54:02,200 --> 01:54:00,110
blinds scattered around and of course it

2609
01:54:04,270 --> 01:54:02,210
was illegal to to set up duck blinds on

2610
01:54:05,710 --> 01:54:04,280
private property so he decided he was

2611
01:54:08,040 --> 01:54:05,720
gonna get closer and then hop down and

2612
01:54:12,310 --> 01:54:08,050
gives 100 as a piece of his mind and

2613
01:54:14,260 --> 01:54:12,320
shake a stick or two at them and but

2614
01:54:16,510 --> 01:54:14,270
when he got closer he thought that these

2615
01:54:20,430 --> 01:54:16,520
duck blinds were actually sort of

2616
01:54:23,110 --> 01:54:20,440
metallic shiny silver upside-down bowls

2617
01:54:26,380 --> 01:54:23,120
spinning very very rapidly in the tall

2618
01:54:29,110 --> 01:54:26,390
grass and as he approached me he got

2619
01:54:32,170 --> 01:54:29,120
closer they took off one by one into the

2620
01:54:35,260 --> 01:54:32,180
air and cool away and they left behind

2621
01:54:39,130 --> 01:54:35,270
swirled patches in the in the

2622
01:54:42,100 --> 01:54:39,140
filled the patches looked for you know

2623
01:54:46,450 --> 01:54:42,110
for any comparison like modern-day crop

2624
01:54:49,780 --> 01:54:46,460
circles except this was 1974 and it was

2625
01:54:52,930 --> 01:54:49,790
studied by cue folks at the time I think

2626
01:54:53,380 --> 01:54:52,940
that a pro also had a hand in this as

2627
01:54:55,510 --> 01:54:53,390
well

2628
01:54:58,600 --> 01:54:55,520
it was very intensely investigated John

2629
01:55:01,390 --> 01:54:58,610
Timmerman like to speak about it he

2630
01:55:06,370 --> 01:55:01,400
actually went to LAN Jim Berg about

2631
01:55:09,220 --> 01:55:06,380
maybe in the 1990s to speak with the

2632
01:55:11,530 --> 01:55:09,230
farmer once again and I had a occasion

2633
01:55:14,140 --> 01:55:11,540
to speak with him and number of people

2634
01:55:18,450 --> 01:55:14,150
in the area and it's a very fascinating

2635
01:55:21,130 --> 01:55:18,460
case physical evidence UFO reports and

2636
01:55:23,500 --> 01:55:21,140
the witness was in the interviewed very

2637
01:55:27,520 --> 01:55:23,510
thoroughly and his story hasn't been

2638
01:55:30,520 --> 01:55:27,530
shaken at all so Chris Bukowski talking

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to gene and Kay Kay you're in the

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so you see long time ago I thought I had

2750
02:00:16,399 --> 02:00:14,189
a co-host named Chris O'Brien but he's

2751
02:00:18,409 --> 02:00:16,409
really KK Barnes right last time I

2752
02:00:20,179 --> 02:00:18,419
checked my birth certificate okay

2753
02:00:21,979 --> 02:00:20,189
well that's where you go and we have

2754
02:00:24,469 --> 02:00:21,989
Chris rutkowski Chris you don't have

2755
02:00:24,919 --> 02:00:24,479
another name to mention to you no no not

2756
02:00:27,020 --> 02:00:24,929
right now

2757
02:00:30,020 --> 02:00:27,030
no I think chris wachowsky is enough of

2758
02:00:32,089 --> 02:00:30,030
a mouthful okay gene Steinberg certainly

2759
02:00:34,580 --> 02:00:32,099
does it for everybody they hear that

2760
02:00:35,239 --> 02:00:34,590
name once and say that's it forget about

2761
02:00:40,040 --> 02:00:35,249
it

2762
02:00:42,139 --> 02:00:40,050
the Miculek is that how you pronounce

2763
02:00:47,899 --> 02:00:42,149
his name wasn't that a Canadian case the

2764
02:00:48,770 --> 02:00:47,909
guy that God got zapped okay okay how do

2765
02:00:53,119 --> 02:00:48,780
you pronounce his name

2766
02:00:55,009 --> 02:00:53,129
well the family pronounces it it's on me

2767
02:00:58,549 --> 02:00:55,019
holic but everybody says it even

2768
02:01:01,159 --> 02:00:58,559
mikkeluc okay okay I was confused there

2769
02:01:02,719 --> 02:01:01,169
because the details sounded familiar I

2770
02:01:07,100 --> 02:01:02,729
was hoping that you would mention that

2771
02:01:08,959 --> 02:01:07,110
case yeah luckily covered it it's been

2772
02:01:11,810 --> 02:01:08,969
mentioned in quite a number of books

2773
02:01:13,929 --> 02:01:11,820
yeah and it's been we done unsolved

2774
02:01:16,819 --> 02:01:13,939
mysteries featured it in a segment

2775
02:01:18,439 --> 02:01:16,829
Ami's unexplained sightings it's been

2776
02:01:20,350 --> 02:01:18,449
done a number of times because it's

2777
02:01:24,250 --> 02:01:20,360
really so good it's it's absolutely

2778
02:01:27,279 --> 02:01:24,260
fascinating and in fact people want to

2779
02:01:29,629 --> 02:01:27,289
come up to that area of Canada for

2780
02:01:33,350 --> 02:01:29,639
vacation you can actually go to the

2781
02:01:36,049 --> 02:01:33,360
exact site it's happened they actually

2782
02:01:38,989 --> 02:01:36,059
you can actually go on a horseback ride

2783
02:01:40,939 --> 02:01:38,999
mule tack right in so I get 50 bucks a

2784
02:01:42,199 --> 02:01:40,949
person or something like that and with a

2785
02:01:44,029 --> 02:01:42,209
tour guide to tell you the whole story

2786
02:01:45,679 --> 02:01:44,039
and show you exactly where it happened

2787
02:01:52,669 --> 02:01:45,689
and you can get a t-shirt and the whole

2788
02:01:54,649 --> 02:01:52,679
thing sounds like Sedona well you know

2789
02:01:58,369 --> 02:01:54,659
Chris is getting involved now are Chris

2790
02:02:01,449 --> 02:01:58,379
or cake my first one we have Kay Kay

2791
02:02:04,250 --> 02:02:01,459
Barnes is now sponsoring these UFO

2792
02:02:06,439 --> 02:02:04,260
sightseeing voyages no I'm not no I'm

2793
02:02:09,319 --> 02:02:06,449
not it's first-class charter and tours

2794
02:02:14,779 --> 02:02:09,329
okay but if they pay enough money they

2795
02:02:17,359 --> 02:02:14,789
get Kay Kay okay well how about some

2796
02:02:20,029 --> 02:02:17,369
other cases I mean how about the work of

2797
02:02:22,609 --> 02:02:20,039
Brian Mike I've been corresponding

2798
02:02:24,080 --> 02:02:22,619
loosely with him for years there's a

2799
02:02:27,229 --> 02:02:24,090
kind of stuff that goes on in the west

2800
02:02:30,589 --> 02:02:27,239
coast of Canada all the way up into into

2801
02:02:32,479 --> 02:02:30,599
the Alaska Panhandle I've been all up

2802
02:02:35,359 --> 02:02:32,489
and down the Canadian Rockies it's one

2803
02:02:38,899 --> 02:02:35,369
of the most beautiful stretches on the

2804
02:02:40,399 --> 02:02:38,909
planet and we do have quite a number of

2805
02:02:43,280 --> 02:02:40,409
interesting sightings from the west

2806
02:02:46,629 --> 02:02:43,290
coast areas over to the Front Range in

2807
02:02:48,530 --> 02:02:46,639
Alberta and and out into the plains

2808
02:02:50,629 --> 02:02:48,540
absolutely in fact you can even go a

2809
02:02:53,839 --> 02:02:50,639
little bit further and go into a Yukon

2810
02:02:56,839 --> 02:02:53,849
which has another fascinating classic

2811
02:02:58,820 --> 02:02:56,849
case dating back into the 1990s so it's

2812
02:03:02,120 --> 02:02:58,830
a little bit newer and this one was

2813
02:03:05,959 --> 02:03:02,130
actually investigated by and other

2814
02:03:09,050 --> 02:03:05,969
people in in British Columbia but the

2815
02:03:11,510 --> 02:03:09,060
case involved a very large object and

2816
02:03:12,830 --> 02:03:11,520
this happened in the dead of winter very

2817
02:03:15,229 --> 02:03:12,840
very cold as you can imagine in the

2818
02:03:18,589 --> 02:03:15,239
Yukon and number of people traveling on

2819
02:03:20,600 --> 02:03:18,599
a highway near climax in the Yukon I had

2820
02:03:24,320 --> 02:03:20,610
reported seeing you know or they had

2821
02:03:26,209 --> 02:03:24,330
seen a very large object that was you

2822
02:03:28,729 --> 02:03:26,219
know hundreds of feet across with

2823
02:03:30,649 --> 02:03:28,739
apparently some windows and they watched

2824
02:03:33,169 --> 02:03:30,659
this thing move very very slowly and

2825
02:03:36,020 --> 02:03:33,179
silently over the road down the length

2826
02:03:38,510 --> 02:03:36,030
of a very very long ribbon like lake

2827
02:03:40,669 --> 02:03:38,520
surrounded on both sides by very high

2828
02:03:44,209 --> 02:03:40,679
mountains and it turns out that other

2829
02:03:46,220 --> 02:03:44,219
people all the way down the lake had

2830
02:03:48,859 --> 02:03:46,230
reported seeing the exact same object

2831
02:03:50,359 --> 02:03:48,869
but at different times corresponding

2832
02:03:53,240 --> 02:03:50,369
with the length of time this thing must

2833
02:03:56,620 --> 02:03:53,250
have taken to travel the length of this

2834
02:04:00,680 --> 02:03:56,630
lake the most fascinating thing is that

2835
02:04:03,140 --> 02:04:00,690
we didn't hear about this case until one

2836
02:04:05,060 --> 02:04:03,150
particular investigator had spent some

2837
02:04:07,879 --> 02:04:05,070
time going up north actually physically

2838
02:04:10,129 --> 02:04:07,889
went up north to the Yukon and went from

2839
02:04:12,260 --> 02:04:10,139
town to town because there had only been

2840
02:04:14,959 --> 02:04:12,270
a rumor one particular rumor that

2841
02:04:16,100 --> 02:04:14,969
something may have been seen once he

2842
02:04:18,890 --> 02:04:16,110
started talking with people

2843
02:04:22,250 --> 02:04:18,900
person-to-person he eventually uncovered

2844
02:04:24,740 --> 02:04:22,260
35 different individuals who had not

2845
02:04:26,450 --> 02:04:24,750
known of each other's existence had not

2846
02:04:29,780 --> 02:04:26,460
talked with each other

2847
02:04:32,629 --> 02:04:29,790
describing the exact same case exact

2848
02:04:34,189 --> 02:04:32,639
same object very very large imagine you

2849
02:04:36,560 --> 02:04:34,199
know a classic Close Encounters of the

2850
02:04:38,680 --> 02:04:36,570
Third Kind you know upside

2851
02:04:40,670 --> 02:04:38,690
on chandeliers like for things flying

2852
02:04:42,650 --> 02:04:40,680
over this lake

2853
02:04:44,390 --> 02:04:42,660
everyone had reported the exact same

2854
02:04:46,100 --> 02:04:44,400
thing they had not come forward this

2855
02:04:48,530 --> 02:04:46,110
isn't they have not been publicized in

2856
02:04:51,590 --> 02:04:48,540
media whatsoever I had not been

2857
02:04:53,780 --> 02:04:51,600
previously reported anywhere and only to

2858
02:04:57,050 --> 02:04:53,790
the diligent investigation of one

2859
02:04:59,570 --> 02:04:57,060
particular individual did the the keys

2860
02:05:02,030 --> 02:04:59,580
ever come to light whatsoever and that

2861
02:05:04,730 --> 02:05:02,040
you know to this to this day stand was

2862
02:05:08,720 --> 02:05:04,740
one of the best witnessed cases in all

2863
02:05:12,650 --> 02:05:08,730
of Canada a beach

2864
02:05:15,020 --> 02:05:12,660
hey I've been up there I I mean you use

2865
02:05:18,620 --> 02:05:15,030
the word Highway in the same sentence as

2866
02:05:22,580 --> 02:05:18,630
Yukon having been up there yeah we're

2867
02:05:25,670 --> 02:05:22,590
talking about vast vast land with nobody

2868
02:05:27,920 --> 02:05:25,680
on it I mean individuals up there there

2869
02:05:31,630 --> 02:05:27,930
may be what one person for every twenty

2870
02:05:34,010 --> 02:05:31,640
square miles maybe even more 30 40 and

2871
02:05:36,290 --> 02:05:34,020
the pounds are very few and far between

2872
02:05:39,400 --> 02:05:36,300
and then just because it's right along

2873
02:05:42,380 --> 02:05:39,410
this lake so are the gas stations

2874
02:05:44,210 --> 02:05:42,390
exactly basically your iPhone does not

2875
02:05:46,250 --> 02:05:44,220
work there yeah you would be able to get

2876
02:05:57,170 --> 02:05:46,260
too much cell phone service up there

2877
02:05:59,800 --> 02:05:57,180
that's for sure have the Wi-Fi if I'll

2878
02:06:03,740 --> 02:05:59,810
have my broadband I you I'm helpless

2879
02:06:06,290 --> 02:06:03,750
TV I want mine no I can live without the

2880
02:06:09,430 --> 02:06:06,300
TV I gotta have my iPhone my wife has to

2881
02:06:12,680 --> 02:06:09,440
have her iPad we've become spoiled yeah

2882
02:06:15,410 --> 02:06:12,690
but when you find when you go into those

2883
02:06:17,630 --> 02:06:15,420
areas are so sparsely populated do you

2884
02:06:21,290 --> 02:06:17,640
find a fairly decent percentage of

2885
02:06:24,620 --> 02:06:21,300
strange events I would say yes and

2886
02:06:26,990 --> 02:06:24,630
matter of fact just over the past two or

2887
02:06:28,790 --> 02:06:27,000
three months and we've uncovered another

2888
02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:28,800
location in Canada we actually have

2889
02:06:33,650 --> 02:06:30,570
talked very much about this publicly at

2890
02:06:39,400 --> 02:06:33,660
all in fact was brought to my attention

2891
02:06:43,430 --> 02:06:39,410
by a television crew from Quebec and

2892
02:06:47,000 --> 02:06:43,440
they're actually soliciting reports from

2893
02:06:49,580 --> 02:06:47,010
northern Quebec in an area mostly

2894
02:06:51,170 --> 02:06:49,590
indigenous population near what's called

2895
02:06:53,690 --> 02:06:51,180
James Bay

2896
02:06:55,640 --> 02:06:53,700
which is just a chunk of Hudson Bay

2897
02:07:01,670 --> 02:06:55,650
which is you know quite a bit north in

2898
02:07:05,480 --> 02:07:01,680
fact it's only maybe eight hours north

2899
02:07:07,550 --> 02:07:05,490
of any kind of civilization and the area

2900
02:07:08,900 --> 02:07:07,560
was populated there's a road up there

2901
02:07:10,340 --> 02:07:08,910
now thanks to the fact that there

2902
02:07:13,580 --> 02:07:10,350
they've been building a hydroelectric

2903
02:07:15,860 --> 02:07:13,590
dam and so forth and reaching further

2904
02:07:18,290 --> 02:07:15,870
and further into the isolated areas in

2905
02:07:22,640 --> 02:07:18,300
the Canadian Shield and what's happened

2906
02:07:24,530 --> 02:07:22,650
is that as we as the road got built and

2907
02:07:27,470 --> 02:07:24,540
more and more people started traveling

2908
02:07:28,850 --> 02:07:27,480
to the area some of the locals started

2909
02:07:31,370 --> 02:07:28,860
talking about things that have been

2910
02:07:35,510 --> 02:07:31,380
occurring to them and this what's called

2911
02:07:40,160 --> 02:07:35,520
the James Bay Area of Quebec seems to be

2912
02:07:43,040 --> 02:07:40,170
very really I don't know had a has had a

2913
02:07:46,640 --> 02:07:43,050
lot of unusual things happening from

2914
02:07:48,080 --> 02:07:46,650
Lights chasing people driving on the

2915
02:07:50,330 --> 02:07:48,090
road and wouldn't describe it in a

2916
02:07:54,560 --> 02:07:50,340
highway kind of like the Yukon two lanes

2917
02:07:57,140 --> 02:07:54,570
surrounded by a thick bush but very

2918
02:07:59,360 --> 02:07:57,150
bright objects chasing people and then

2919
02:08:01,880 --> 02:07:59,370
in the few towns that there are up there

2920
02:08:04,640 --> 02:08:01,890
very large objects structured objects

2921
02:08:06,800 --> 02:08:04,650
moving slowly and ponderously over some

2922
02:08:09,140 --> 02:08:06,810
of the houses frightening the bejeebers

2923
02:08:11,240 --> 02:08:09,150
and some of the people living up there

2924
02:08:12,800 --> 02:08:11,250
I'll tell you our benefactors will be

2925
02:08:14,660 --> 02:08:12,810
frightened there but gee booze will be

2926
02:08:17,390 --> 02:08:14,670
frightened and lots of other things that

2927
02:08:24,140 --> 02:08:17,400
we don't break here with Chris rutkowski

2928
02:08:28,570 --> 02:08:26,380
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[Music]

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hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

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we have the famous KK Barnes is going to

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regale us with some musical tidbits and

3031
02:13:06,560 --> 02:13:03,630
interludes but not on this show we're

3032
02:13:09,800 --> 02:13:06,570
talking to Chris Witkowski we've gone to

3033
02:13:12,500 --> 02:13:09,810
Quebec we've gone to the sparsely

3034
02:13:15,470 --> 02:13:12,510
populated areas of Canada and we find

3035
02:13:17,240 --> 02:13:15,480
all sorts of strange things going on all

3036
02:13:20,210 --> 02:13:17,250
sorts of weird goings on over there

3037
02:13:23,720 --> 02:13:20,220
indeed and oh we're just in the process

3038
02:13:26,300 --> 02:13:23,730
of working on the 2011 Canadian Canadian

3039
02:13:29,510 --> 02:13:26,310
UFO survey we haven't finished working

3040
02:13:32,630 --> 02:13:29,520
on the full report yet but I can tell

3041
02:13:34,550 --> 02:13:32,640
you that while not a record number we're

3042
02:13:38,150 --> 02:13:34,560
approaching record numbers and the

3043
02:13:40,700 --> 02:13:38,160
highest number of UFO reports in Canada

3044
02:13:45,770 --> 02:13:40,710
for any one year was 2008 when there

3045
02:13:48,530 --> 02:13:45,780
there is more than 1,000 cases reported

3046
02:13:50,990 --> 02:13:48,540
in one year and previously we've been

3047
02:13:53,150 --> 02:13:51,000
hovering around seven eight nine hundred

3048
02:13:57,740 --> 02:13:53,160
reports per year and I think that's

3049
02:14:00,350 --> 02:13:57,750
where we were for 2009 and 2010 of the

3050
02:14:04,250 --> 02:14:00,360
cases the increase of cases do you find

3051
02:14:07,190 --> 02:14:04,260
more wheat in the chaff there more case

3052
02:14:09,290 --> 02:14:07,200
explained yeah I think we do it it seems

3053
02:14:11,090 --> 02:14:09,300
to be a constant percentage you know

3054
02:14:13,790 --> 02:14:11,100
that you know we're talking one two

3055
02:14:16,340 --> 02:14:13,800
three four five percent of the

3056
02:14:18,890 --> 02:14:16,350
unexplained so the more cases we get the

3057
02:14:21,500 --> 02:14:18,900
higher the number of very unusual cases

3058
02:14:23,390 --> 02:14:21,510
that will receive every year so it is

3059
02:14:26,060 --> 02:14:23,400
actually beneficial to get as many cases

3060
02:14:28,520 --> 02:14:26,070
as possible to try and find details of

3061
02:14:32,500 --> 02:14:28,530
course we can't possibly investigate all

3062
02:14:34,640 --> 02:14:32,510
of that ourselves and we rely on

3063
02:14:37,220 --> 02:14:34,650
individuals from one end of the country

3064
02:14:40,310 --> 02:14:37,230
to the other who perhaps have their own

3065
02:14:42,560 --> 02:14:40,320
groups or webmasters for online groups

3066
02:14:44,870 --> 02:14:42,570
and for people who take it upon

3067
02:14:48,200 --> 02:14:44,880
themselves investigate in their own

3068
02:14:51,470 --> 02:14:48,210
local regions to help us gather the data

3069
02:14:52,220 --> 02:14:51,480
I'm UC st. Clair and an Ontario does

3070
02:14:54,680 --> 02:14:52,230
some work

3071
02:14:57,440 --> 02:14:54,690
you mentioned Brian writes in DC Jim

3072
02:15:00,380 --> 02:14:57,450
Maloney and and Alberta there's other

3073
02:15:03,260 --> 02:15:00,390
individuals and in other parts of Canada

3074
02:15:05,080 --> 02:15:03,270
and what we got ourselves through you

3075
02:15:08,030 --> 02:15:05,090
followed you research here in Manitoba

3076
02:15:08,540 --> 02:15:08,040
we do get certain numbers of cases we

3077
02:15:12,050 --> 02:15:08,550
also get

3078
02:15:15,500 --> 02:15:12,060
reports given to us by the Government of

3079
02:15:18,320 --> 02:15:15,510
Canada which makes our status relatively

3080
02:15:22,160 --> 02:15:18,330
unique and ufology we get reports so we

3081
02:15:24,650 --> 02:15:22,170
glean from places like YouTube and

3082
02:15:26,720 --> 02:15:24,660
Facebook and you know Twitter has been a

3083
02:15:28,970 --> 02:15:26,730
great way of getting case information

3084
02:15:31,160 --> 02:15:28,980
and making contact with witnesses over

3085
02:15:33,200 --> 02:15:31,170
the past few years as well so we're

3086
02:15:35,390 --> 02:15:33,210
finding more and more information and

3087
02:15:37,430 --> 02:15:35,400
cases are finding their way to us

3088
02:15:40,070 --> 02:15:37,440
witness is reporting what they've

3089
02:15:43,880 --> 02:15:40,080
experienced and it does seem that people

3090
02:15:45,170 --> 02:15:43,890
are slowly becoming more comfortable

3091
02:15:47,450 --> 02:15:45,180
with reporting that they've seen

3092
02:15:50,540 --> 02:15:47,460
especially in forums like Facebook where

3093
02:15:54,830 --> 02:15:50,550
there's many many different groups where

3094
02:15:57,950 --> 02:15:54,840
people can discuss and I should hold out

3095
02:16:00,020 --> 02:15:57,960
some ideas off one another so there I

3096
02:16:03,590 --> 02:16:00,030
think we're in a kind of a new

3097
02:16:05,540 --> 02:16:03,600
renaissance where UFO reports and UFO

3098
02:16:07,040 --> 02:16:05,550
reporting or are going to becoming more

3099
02:16:09,260 --> 02:16:07,050
and more commonplace they're going to be

3100
02:16:11,600 --> 02:16:09,270
easier to get more information certainly

3101
02:16:13,490 --> 02:16:11,610
we're gonna get a lot more noise if it

3102
02:16:16,250 --> 02:16:13,500
gets fashionable right and that's the

3103
02:16:18,770 --> 02:16:16,260
big question here - is it because there

3104
02:16:21,230 --> 02:16:18,780
are more cases to be found or because

3105
02:16:23,300 --> 02:16:21,240
people are now more comfortable with

3106
02:16:24,950 --> 02:16:23,310
these social networking environments to

3107
02:16:26,960 --> 02:16:24,960
talk about things like this or a

3108
02:16:28,850 --> 02:16:26,970
combination well it's probably a

3109
02:16:30,500 --> 02:16:28,860
combination I think it's the more of the

3110
02:16:33,080 --> 02:16:30,510
people being more comfortable I think

3111
02:16:34,759 --> 02:16:33,090
there's always been people seeing things

3112
02:16:37,400 --> 02:16:34,769
in the sky but not knowing who to report

3113
02:16:40,370 --> 02:16:37,410
things to or how to report them I think

3114
02:16:43,339 --> 02:16:40,380
the fact that it's becoming more easier

3115
02:16:45,770 --> 02:16:43,349
and more commonplace for people to know

3116
02:16:47,209 --> 02:16:45,780
for example on Twitter and seeing people

3117
02:16:48,740 --> 02:16:47,219
say hey you know I just saw something

3118
02:16:50,930 --> 02:16:48,750
you know who do I report it to when

3119
02:16:53,060 --> 02:16:50,940
you'd actually look at those tweets and

3120
02:16:57,049 --> 02:16:53,070
try and reply to them directly and

3121
02:16:59,990 --> 02:16:57,059
really yeah in real-time

3122
02:17:02,720 --> 02:17:00,000
yeah and that was one of the ideas from

3123
02:17:05,839 --> 02:17:02,730
some of the early fidonet groups like

3124
02:17:07,610 --> 02:17:05,849
the all UFO reports which I actually had

3125
02:17:09,620 --> 02:17:07,620
moderated at one point and then theory

3126
02:17:11,390 --> 02:17:09,630
was that everybody could be on there at

3127
02:17:12,919 --> 02:17:11,400
the same time reporting and exchanging

3128
02:17:14,570 --> 02:17:12,929
information and unfortunately a lot of

3129
02:17:16,879 --> 02:17:14,580
spammers got involved and that killed

3130
02:17:18,940 --> 02:17:16,889
that idea well in the San Luis Valley

3131
02:17:22,160 --> 02:17:18,950
we're putting together a triangulated

3132
02:17:24,140 --> 02:17:22,170
high-def camera or a pan tilt zoom

3133
02:17:26,299 --> 02:17:24,150
operated you know motion motion

3134
02:17:28,100 --> 02:17:26,309
detection motion tracking and then we're

3135
02:17:30,110 --> 02:17:28,110
gonna have a sky watch channel for the

3136
02:17:32,440 --> 02:17:30,120
local community to always have it on and

3137
02:17:35,299 --> 02:17:32,450
if we have an event we're gonna have a

3138
02:17:37,310 --> 02:17:35,309
an alert scrolled across the bottom of

3139
02:17:38,959 --> 02:17:37,320
all the other channels that's brilliant

3140
02:17:40,969 --> 02:17:38,969
and that this shows you that what the

3141
02:17:42,860 --> 02:17:40,979
technology can be used for and can be

3142
02:17:44,629 --> 02:17:42,870
used effectively and I applaud you guys

3143
02:17:46,580 --> 02:17:44,639
for doing that that's that's a brilliant

3144
02:17:48,469 --> 02:17:46,590
way of using the technology normally a

3145
02:17:50,330 --> 02:17:48,479
pestilent did something very similar

3146
02:17:51,740 --> 02:17:50,340
where they have the the cameras going

3147
02:17:54,830 --> 02:17:51,750
and there's a lot of problems up there

3148
02:17:56,660 --> 02:17:54,840
yeah a lot of problems do but they're

3149
02:17:59,060 --> 02:17:56,670
the technology is out there and can be

3150
02:18:01,150 --> 02:17:59,070
used in so many great ways and the you

3151
02:18:04,160 --> 02:18:01,160
know your project down there sounds

3152
02:18:06,560 --> 02:18:04,170
perfect well looking at the kind of work

3153
02:18:09,259 --> 02:18:06,570
that you're doing are we seeing any

3154
02:18:11,570 --> 02:18:09,269
progress in getting the scientific

3155
02:18:13,370 --> 02:18:11,580
community to start really looking at it

3156
02:18:15,259 --> 02:18:13,380
and not just pockets of it no I think

3157
02:18:19,129 --> 02:18:15,269
the side of the community is still very

3158
02:18:21,890 --> 02:18:19,139
very jaded and I think a lot of that has

3159
02:18:23,270 --> 02:18:21,900
to do with the fact that a lot of the

3160
02:18:28,969 --> 02:18:23,280
information that's being published now

3161
02:18:31,040 --> 02:18:28,979
online and in print form is by by people

3162
02:18:32,390 --> 02:18:31,050
who are well-meaning but they just don't

3163
02:18:33,919 --> 02:18:32,400
have the scientific training and

3164
02:18:36,469 --> 02:18:33,929
background to really sort through and

3165
02:18:39,709 --> 02:18:36,479
have a good methodology and it's scaring

3166
02:18:41,660 --> 02:18:39,719
them away and in fact I suspect that if

3167
02:18:46,070 --> 02:18:41,670
anything scientists are now even more in

3168
02:18:47,390 --> 02:18:46,080
theory of paranormal or unusual events

3169
02:18:51,049 --> 02:18:47,400
than ever before

3170
02:18:54,410 --> 02:18:51,059
and part of that is because their own

3171
02:18:57,919 --> 02:18:54,420
professions whether they're biologists

3172
02:19:00,440 --> 02:18:57,929
or astronomers or archaeologists are

3173
02:19:03,370 --> 02:19:00,450
making progress at such incredible pace

3174
02:19:05,900 --> 02:19:03,380
and the communication and the

3175
02:19:11,839 --> 02:19:05,910
compartmentalization and specialization

3176
02:19:13,730 --> 02:19:11,849
is getting so so very deep that to

3177
02:19:15,830 --> 02:19:13,740
venture out into an area where the

3178
02:19:17,750 --> 02:19:15,840
research funding isn't there and because

3179
02:19:18,890 --> 02:19:17,760
they're all scientists work where they

3180
02:19:22,250 --> 02:19:18,900
were going to be getting some grant

3181
02:19:24,950 --> 02:19:22,260
funding that it's going to be very

3182
02:19:26,959 --> 02:19:24,960
difficult for people to you know to have

3183
02:19:28,490 --> 02:19:26,969
their reputations tarnished by looking

3184
02:19:31,280 --> 02:19:28,500
into the field that from their

3185
02:19:34,040 --> 02:19:31,290
standpoint isn't worth very much at all

3186
02:19:35,509 --> 02:19:34,050
so I wish it wasn't so guy I have a

3187
02:19:36,140 --> 02:19:35,519
feeling that the scientific community is

3188
02:19:38,541 --> 02:19:36,150
getting a little

3189
02:19:40,760 --> 02:19:38,551
further away from ufology and that's why

3190
02:19:44,020 --> 02:19:40,770
projects like yours and certainly the

3191
02:19:47,300 --> 02:19:44,030
Canadian UFO survey are invaluable for

3192
02:19:48,890 --> 02:19:47,310
presenting a good case data and good

3193
02:19:51,650 --> 02:19:48,900
information to the scientific community

3194
02:19:53,270 --> 02:19:51,660
so that we can say hey you're not

3195
02:19:54,980 --> 02:19:53,280
gathering the data yourself but here's

3196
02:19:58,001 --> 02:19:54,990
some data that's been gathered very

3197
02:20:02,390 --> 02:19:58,011
little and with a good methodology and

3198
02:20:04,640 --> 02:20:02,400
good methodology very important take a

3199
02:20:07,610 --> 02:20:04,650
look at this stuff well well thank you

3200
02:20:10,131 --> 02:20:07,620
and and we are you know making making

3201
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strides on actually getting the software

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developed that's that's the real that's

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the world curve in terms of development

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on the project is getting the motion

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coordination between the cameras I mean

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that's all that's that's a lot of

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writing and the technology is really the

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whole story it's there the technology's

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there it's just the time that it takes

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to to tweak code and and you know do all

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the necessary software work that needs

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to be done develop more ease by an

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astronomer named Dmitri sassa

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about search for life in the universe

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and in that book Fastenal makes the

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statement that anyone almost anyone

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today can become a planetary or an EXO

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biology astronomer by because the

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technology and the software is so

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commonplace you could do it with a small

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scope from your backyard with a decent

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computer and you the blaze refraction

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grading and and and separate the light

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into light spectra and it's gonna be

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hard for an optical physicist to argue

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with properly you know gathered data

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with the proper methodology in the

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technology is really allowing some

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fascinating developments in all fields

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and I certainly look forward to what it

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can do for you follow gee but it doesn't

3233
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negate the fact that the very foundation

3234
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of ufology is case investigation and

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I've made the statement number of times

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but I think case investigation in terms

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of UFOs is almost dead

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art form or science yeah I agree and

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it's something that we really do need

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it's not enough to say you know that

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they've been 10 Fighting's in the brain

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you need to not only investigate the

3243
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case real-time on the ground but you

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need to go back and visit these people

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and see how it affected their reality

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I'll tell you what we have this reality

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that has to be impacted Chris Rutkowski

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podcast well at least he's KK and not

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that's exactly right the Chris Rock

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indicate that you know serious

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scientific investigation of UFOs is

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alive and well but do you think the more

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and more concentration astronomers place

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the possibility the growing knowledge

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about exoplanets planets and other star

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systems that may fit in that Goldilocks

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range that might Harbor life doesn't

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that make them the least bit curious if

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maybe something's going on right here

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and now well I think that there is a

3362
02:27:39,140 --> 02:27:32,980
very big race on right now among

3363
02:27:41,940 --> 02:27:39,150
astronomers to find the super earth and

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the one you know the announcement it

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probably will come from some of the

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Kepler studies but somebody is gonna

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make an announcement probably within

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this year with in 2012

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a planet very much like Earth in fact

3370
02:28:00,639 --> 02:27:57,680
general it's all for all intents and

3371
02:28:03,219 --> 02:28:00,649
purposes earth-like will be announced

3372
02:28:06,310 --> 02:28:03,229
sometime soon and once you have an

3373
02:28:08,410 --> 02:28:06,320
announcement like that that it's very

3374
02:28:10,660 --> 02:28:08,420
much like Earth and perhaps you know

3375
02:28:12,639 --> 02:28:10,670
within a reasonable distance let's say

3376
02:28:15,910 --> 02:28:12,649
within 500 light-years and I'm being

3377
02:28:20,200 --> 02:28:15,920
very optimistic here but something like

3378
02:28:22,420 --> 02:28:20,210
that automatically if a planet very much

3379
02:28:24,460 --> 02:28:22,430
like Earth is announced that it's been

3380
02:28:26,410 --> 02:28:24,470
discovered it seems to have the right

3381
02:28:29,349 --> 02:28:26,420
composition of the atmosphere it's not

3382
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too warm or too cold and it's been

3383
02:28:35,590 --> 02:28:32,000
orbiting a star for comparable length of

3384
02:28:37,990 --> 02:28:35,600
time as our Sun has been around I would

3385
02:28:40,860 --> 02:28:38,000
suggest that there will be a renewed

3386
02:28:43,570 --> 02:28:40,870
interest to look at the possibility of

3387
02:28:45,490 --> 02:28:43,580
whether there's a civilization there is

3388
02:28:46,900 --> 02:28:45,500
it possible to communicate with it and I

3389
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think people are going to be a little

3390
02:28:51,700 --> 02:28:49,370
more receptive to the idea of maybe

3391
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there's there's you know some

3392
02:28:56,170 --> 02:28:53,390
interaction that has taken place

3393
02:28:59,139 --> 02:28:56,180
especially if it looks like this planet

3394
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has been around for a few thousand years

3395
02:29:04,450 --> 02:29:02,060
or let's not get too optimistic and say

3396
02:29:06,400 --> 02:29:04,460
a million years but but some length of

3397
02:29:08,380 --> 02:29:06,410
time longer than Earth has been around

3398
02:29:10,420 --> 02:29:08,390
and that would automatically suggest

3399
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that civilization might have existed on

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that place for for a long period of time

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and maybe they figured out some way of

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communicating or traveling between the

3403
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stars and I think that that will really

3404
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set the tone for a renewed interest in

3405
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life out there and ways of communicating

3406
02:29:35,469 --> 02:29:32,810
now is there any possibility at all that

3407
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this could lead to some sort of gradual

3408
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disclosure that as we become more

3409
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accepting that life is out there

3410
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intelligent life most probably that

3411
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creates the climate to express evidence

3412
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of what's going on here or is that a

3413
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possible it's possible although and

3414
02:29:57,400 --> 02:29:54,859
again I've said this before that I I'm

3415
02:30:00,310 --> 02:29:57,410
not sure what there is to disclose and

3416
02:30:02,820 --> 02:30:00,320
what what I mean by that is I don't

3417
02:30:06,430 --> 02:30:02,830
think that the sounds familiar Chris I

3418
02:30:08,560 --> 02:30:06,440
don't know if The Smoking Gun is there

3419
02:30:11,680 --> 02:30:08,570
even though it's a great website I don't

3420
02:30:13,480 --> 02:30:11,690
think that they that that we were going

3421
02:30:15,160 --> 02:30:13,490
to find the little green guys and pickle

3422
02:30:19,450 --> 02:30:15,170
jars sitting in somebody's laboratory

3423
02:30:23,470 --> 02:30:19,460
shelf adulterer otherwise I think Barack

3424
02:30:25,660 --> 02:30:23,480
Obama has already booked Network studio

3425
02:30:29,801 --> 02:30:25,670
time to come out hand-in-hand with our

3426
02:30:30,640 --> 02:30:29,811
little gray alien ambassador yeah

3427
02:30:33,041 --> 02:30:30,650
absolutely

3428
02:30:36,390 --> 02:30:33,051
so I really doubt that there's much to

3429
02:30:38,470 --> 02:30:36,400
disclose in fact the Canadian experience

3430
02:30:40,570 --> 02:30:38,480
is very different from the American

3431
02:30:45,940 --> 02:30:40,580
experience in the sense that we've been

3432
02:30:49,450 --> 02:30:45,950
getting Air Force and and official

3433
02:30:52,030 --> 02:30:49,460
government UFO reports all along there

3434
02:30:54,730 --> 02:30:52,040
hadn't been very much to disclose at all

3435
02:30:56,200 --> 02:30:54,740
and they say we have the all the you

3436
02:30:59,620 --> 02:30:56,210
know hundreds of documents on the

3437
02:31:03,761 --> 02:30:59,630
mikkeluc or the Falcon Lake case we do

3438
02:31:06,341 --> 02:31:03,771
have documents on shag harbour and you

3439
02:31:09,131 --> 02:31:06,351
know Stan Friedman nice to find copies

3440
02:31:12,011 --> 02:31:09,141
of documents related to Wilbur Smith

3441
02:31:13,711 --> 02:31:12,021
that were first available in Canada

3442
02:31:16,270 --> 02:31:13,721
about his visit to the United States

3443
02:31:18,341 --> 02:31:16,280
where he made that classic line about

3444
02:31:19,900 --> 02:31:18,351
you know that matter is classified at a

3445
02:31:23,261 --> 02:31:19,910
level higher than the Manhattan Project

3446
02:31:24,820 --> 02:31:23,271
so forth you know Canada has had a

3447
02:31:27,600 --> 02:31:24,830
different policy because it's a

3448
02:31:30,341 --> 02:31:27,610
different country and different

3449
02:31:32,440 --> 02:31:30,351
regulations regarding classification

3450
02:31:36,041 --> 02:31:32,450
schemes and we've had the beautiful

3451
02:31:40,961 --> 02:31:36,051
reports coming to us all during leakin

3452
02:31:42,791 --> 02:31:40,971
aiding UFO survey where military officer

3453
02:31:46,421 --> 02:31:42,801
somebody makes a report to a military

3454
02:31:49,990 --> 02:31:46,431
base the cases are available so the

3455
02:31:51,881 --> 02:31:50,000
disclosure there is puzzling and yet in

3456
02:31:53,440 --> 02:31:51,891
the United States we don't know what

3457
02:31:56,740 --> 02:31:53,450
cases are there because Blue Book was

3458
02:31:59,461 --> 02:31:56,750
closed and by 1968 or 1969 we don't have

3459
02:32:02,410 --> 02:31:59,471
current information on what's really

3460
02:32:05,770 --> 02:32:02,420
well don't you think there are current

3461
02:32:06,310 --> 02:32:05,780
cases somewhere are they just forgetting

3462
02:32:08,921 --> 02:32:06,320
about it

3463
02:32:11,320 --> 02:32:08,931
ignoring it no I think I think the cases

3464
02:32:13,091 --> 02:32:11,330
are there but you know when we looked at

3465
02:32:16,450 --> 02:32:13,101
the reports they've been released and

3466
02:32:18,820 --> 02:32:16,460
Britain's Ministry of Defence that Nick

3467
02:32:21,160 --> 02:32:18,830
Pope has been commenting on

3468
02:32:23,830 --> 02:32:21,170
example and even the cases that we get

3469
02:32:26,051 --> 02:32:23,840
here in Canada in their cases by and

3470
02:32:28,000 --> 02:32:26,061
large to mention you know we're looking

3471
02:32:31,830 --> 02:32:28,010
at generally small percentage we can't

3472
02:32:33,820 --> 02:32:31,840
explain the cases that are not all that

3473
02:32:35,290 --> 02:32:33,830
particularly interesting so if we're

3474
02:32:37,240 --> 02:32:35,300
looking for disclosure we should be

3475
02:32:39,490 --> 02:32:37,250
looking for something that's more than

3476
02:32:41,770 --> 02:32:39,500
just lights in the sky more than just

3477
02:32:44,590 --> 02:32:41,780
you know a low-flying something on the

3478
02:32:46,870 --> 02:32:44,600
distant horizon or something that's in

3479
02:32:48,580 --> 02:32:46,880
orbit passing overhead and those are the

3480
02:32:50,400 --> 02:32:48,590
types of cases that we've been getting

3481
02:32:52,840 --> 02:32:50,410
in terms of reports that are available

3482
02:32:55,180 --> 02:32:52,850
if there's something being seen more

3483
02:32:57,790 --> 02:32:55,190
than that I would say by actual military

3484
02:32:59,770 --> 02:32:57,800
personnel in the group or gun camera

3485
02:33:03,220 --> 02:32:59,780
film footage and that type of thing that

3486
02:33:08,620 --> 02:33:03,230
may exist but I don't know whether any

3487
02:33:11,011 --> 02:33:08,630
disclosure movement marching on

3488
02:33:13,840 --> 02:33:11,021
Washington there's a million man or the

3489
02:33:15,670 --> 02:33:13,850
537 man march on Washington as opposed

3490
02:33:17,980 --> 02:33:15,680
to the you know as far as the disclosure

3491
02:33:22,120 --> 02:33:17,990
movement goes is going to accomplish

3492
02:33:23,950 --> 02:33:22,130
very much at all because it couldn't the

3493
02:33:25,660 --> 02:33:23,960
you know like so far buried if I'll

3494
02:33:27,910 --> 02:33:25,670
never hear about it or simply that

3495
02:33:29,530 --> 02:33:27,920
there's nothing there we nice to think

3496
02:33:31,980 --> 02:33:29,540
that the discovery of an earth-like

3497
02:33:34,511 --> 02:33:31,990
planet might lead to little more liberal

3498
02:33:35,620 --> 02:33:34,521
offerings and perhaps yes

3499
02:33:38,170 --> 02:33:35,630
you know if we're talking assigned

3500
02:33:41,170 --> 02:33:38,180
section scenarios if this planet out

3501
02:33:44,170 --> 02:33:41,180
there is discovered and contact is made

3502
02:33:45,761 --> 02:33:44,180
and you know we eventually hear from

3503
02:33:47,950 --> 02:33:45,771
them that they say oh yeah we've been

3504
02:33:49,180 --> 02:33:47,960
visiting your planet since about 1947

3505
02:33:51,551 --> 02:33:49,190
what are you talking about you never

3506
02:33:53,320 --> 02:33:51,561
applied to us you know the government

3507
02:33:55,360 --> 02:33:53,330
would then figure we you know we knew

3508
02:33:57,040 --> 02:33:55,370
about it all along Chris I think you

3509
02:33:59,020 --> 02:33:57,050
missed your calling man you should have

3510
02:34:03,460 --> 02:33:59,030
written a screenplay already I'll pop

3511
02:34:06,820 --> 02:34:03,470
the tree see tell me about it well again

3512
02:34:10,060 --> 02:34:06,830
you and crazy together that sounds like

3513
02:34:12,400 --> 02:34:10,070
a great great storyline for a screenplay

3514
02:34:14,830 --> 02:34:12,410
absolutely I'm still looking for the

3515
02:34:18,520 --> 02:34:14,840
Magic Man that's the story of Stan

3516
02:34:20,830 --> 02:34:18,530
Freedman a few others at IMDB is still

3517
02:34:28,630 --> 02:34:20,840
listing it as being released in 2012 but

3518
02:34:31,000 --> 02:34:28,640
one of these days we'll make it 2013 you

3519
02:34:31,660 --> 02:34:31,010
know what happened though is they have

3520
02:34:34,269 --> 02:34:31,670
to finish

3521
02:34:41,469 --> 02:34:34,279
Man of Steel first and that's the middle

3522
02:34:45,130 --> 02:34:41,479
of 2013 lon right then of course sell

3523
02:34:48,340 --> 02:34:45,140
decide to make Avengers 2 and I don't

3524
02:34:50,139 --> 02:34:48,350
know and maybe they'll decide to have a

3525
02:34:52,090 --> 02:34:50,149
sequel to The Dark Knight Rises

3526
02:34:54,250 --> 02:34:52,100
yeah well and of course there has been

3527
02:34:55,689 --> 02:34:54,260
some interesting UFO movies recently and

3528
02:34:58,620 --> 02:34:55,699
people have said movie that's preparing

3529
02:35:04,269 --> 02:34:58,630
us for the truth too you know we had

3530
02:35:07,179 --> 02:35:04,279
super 8 and right this was 9 that was my

3531
02:35:12,099 --> 02:35:07,189
favorite certainly not Cowboys and

3532
02:35:14,469 --> 02:35:12,109
Aliens like district 9 aliens have been

3533
02:35:17,679 --> 02:35:14,479
you know put into the townships in South

3534
02:35:24,490 --> 02:35:17,689
Africa there's just something weirdly

3535
02:35:27,250 --> 02:35:24,500
poetic about that weird right well I

3536
02:35:29,800 --> 02:35:27,260
have one but it's called attack of the

3537
02:35:32,250 --> 02:35:29,810
rock oits and I don't want to tell you

3538
02:35:34,780 --> 02:35:32,260
about that that's a really good story

3539
02:35:37,840 --> 02:35:34,790
because my son I wrote it chris

3540
02:35:40,420 --> 02:35:37,850
Rutkowski tell us where we can find more

3541
02:35:43,719 --> 02:35:40,430
of the stuff you do well you can

3542
02:35:49,510 --> 02:35:43,729
certainly look online my blog is you

3543
02:35:52,090 --> 02:35:49,520
forum you fo are um dot blog spot.com my

3544
02:35:55,290 --> 02:35:52,100
most recent book is the big book of UFOs

3545
02:35:59,439 --> 02:35:55,300
and it's big you know four hundred pages

3546
02:36:01,570 --> 02:35:59,449
now cover the summary of some of the

3547
02:36:04,360 --> 02:36:01,580
most interesting stories and cases of

3548
02:36:06,189 --> 02:36:04,370
the past number of years and you can

3549
02:36:10,330 --> 02:36:06,199
find that on Amazon just look for me

3550
02:36:18,189 --> 02:36:10,340
Chris rutkowski and I have nine books

3551
02:36:20,250 --> 02:36:18,199
right now the abduction book has one

3552
02:36:22,450 --> 02:36:20,260
copy left you better get some more time

3553
02:36:24,700 --> 02:36:22,460
Chris O'Brien where do we find more of

3554
02:36:26,769 --> 02:36:24,710
your stuff well we're always here at the

3555
02:36:28,540 --> 02:36:26,779
para cast interviewing I think

3556
02:36:31,179 --> 02:36:28,550
pioneering scientists like Chris was

3557
02:36:32,900 --> 02:36:31,189
Bukowski and I think it's important for

3558
02:36:36,260 --> 02:36:32,910
everybody out there to

3559
02:36:38,600 --> 02:36:36,270
now to go to our strange planet calm

3560
02:36:41,179 --> 02:36:38,610
when it's totally put back together and

3561
02:36:43,310 --> 02:36:41,189
we're working on that Chris rutkowski

3562
02:36:54,120 --> 02:36:43,320
thanks for joining us this week on the

3563
02:37:00,670 --> 02:36:57,640
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3564
02:37:03,540 --> 02:37:00,680
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3565
02:37:07,270 --> 02:37:03,550
presentation of making the impossible